It's nitpicking time! List your favorite safehold nits

OAR - p. 200 (HB edition) "... both the Writ and the Church's own regulations also required that any churchman who aspired to the ranks of the episcopate must have married." (from the section on Erayk Dynnys' "accident")

So... anyone wishing to be a bishop (much less higher up) has to marry. But...

AMF p. 218 (HB edition) Hauwerd Wylsynn is ruminating on who the traitor in the Circle is and thinks to himself "Thank God I never married, Hauwerd thought." But he's a vicar.. so how did he get there if he never married when to be a bishop he should have married?

Ealdgyth wrote:OAR - p. 200 (HB edition) "... both the Writ and the Church's own regulations also required that nay churchman who aspired to the ranks of the episcopate must have married." (from the section on Erayk Dynnys' "accident")

So... anyone wishing to be a bishop (much less higher up) has to marry. But...

AMF p. 218 (HB edition) Hauwerd Wylsynn is ruminating on who the traitor in the Circle is and thinks to himself "Thank God I never married, Hauwerd thought." But he's a vicar.. so how did he get there if he never married when to be a bishop he should have married?

Really a good question which leads to another question... is the normal route-- priest, bishop, archbishop -- the only route to the vicarage? We do know that Hauwerd spent some time as a guardsman and it's bishops who have to be married.

Don

n7axw wrote:

Ealdgyth wrote:OAR - p. 200 (HB edition) "... both the Writ and the Church's own regulations also required that nay churchman who aspired to the ranks of the episcopate must have married." (from the section on Erayk Dynnys' "accident")

So... anyone wishing to be a bishop (much less higher up) has to marry. But...

AMF p. 218 (HB edition) Hauwerd Wylsynn is ruminating on who the traitor in the Circle is and thinks to himself "Thank God I never married, Hauwerd thought." But he's a vicar.. so how did he get there if he never married when to be a bishop he should have married?

Really a good question which leads to another question... is the normal route-- priest, bishop, archbishop -- the only route to the vicarage? We do know that Hauwerd spent some time as a guardsman and it's bishops who have to be married.

Don

Even if you jump the queue (which is plausible, for someone from a Church dynasty, or perhaps an exceptional member of a cloistered order), it's unlikely that a requirement for a bishop wouldn't be a requirement for a vicar as well. Valid nit, I say.

n7axw wrote:Really a good question which leads to another question... is the normal route-- priest, bishop, archbishop -- the only route to the vicarage? We do know that Hauwerd spent some time as a guardsman and it's bishops who have to be married.

Don

It's a question that could also be applied to Zhasyn Cahnyr, but in Cahnyr's case we don't have anything that says he never married - we just never see any mention of a wife or him being a widower. I can't think of any other high-ranking bishops/archbishops/vicars who are explicitly stated to not have married - but there are a lot who never have wives mentioned.

Another thing I've always wondered at ...

In BHD p. 26 - Vyk Lakyr is escorted through Rock Point's cabin and notices a woman's portrait there. The simple assumption is that's Rock Point's wife, but in MTAT p. 349, Rock Point states to Merlin that he's never married. So who is the lady in the portrait?

(fixed tiny error - "who" instead of "how")

JeffEngel wrote:Even if you jump the queue (which is plausible, for someone from a Church dynasty, or perhaps an exceptional member of a cloistered order), it's unlikely that a requirement for a bishop wouldn't be a requirement for a vicar as well. Valid nit, I say.

Dunno. It's the bishops who have to relate to their priests and the families of their congregations rather than vicars. The rational for the marriage requirement would be to help them identify with ordinary people. By that logic, vicars who are not at the ground level might not have the same requirement.

If the rule does also apply to vicars, the Wylsyns who have that reputation for piety and opposing corruption probably wouldn't have tried to short circuit the system.

So at least it is something unexplained or perhaps it is as you say, a valid nit.

Don

Ealdgyth wrote:

n7axw wrote:Really a good question which leads to another question... is the normal route-- priest, bishop, archbishop -- the only route to the vicarage? We do know that Hauwerd spent some time as a guardsman and it's bishops who have to be married.

Don

It's a question that could also be applied to Zhasyn Cahnyr, but in Cahnyr's case we don't have anything that says he never married - we just never see any mention of a wife or him being a widower. I can't think of any other high-ranking bishops/archbishops/vicars who are explicitly stated to not have married - but there are a lot who never have wives mentioned.

Another thing I've always wondered at ...

In BHD p. 26 - Vyk Lakyr is escorted through Rock Point's cabin and notices a woman's portrait there. The simple assumption is that's Rock Point's wife, but in MTAT p. 349, Rock Point states to Merlin that he's never married. So who is the lady in the portrait?

(fixed tiny error - "who" instead of "how")

Perhaps a female relative such as his mother, his sister or sister-in-law. That's plausible, anyway.

Don

n7axw wrote:

Ealdgyth wrote:Another thing I've always wondered at ...

In BHD p. 26 - Vyk Lakyr is escorted through Rock Point's cabin and notices a woman's portrait there. The simple assumption is that's Rock Point's wife, but in MTAT p. 349, Rock Point states to Merlin that he's never married. So who is the lady in the portrait?

Perhaps a female relative such as his mother, his sister or sister-in-law. That's plausible, anyway.

Don

He's a professional sailor. There HAS to be a ballad about the lady fair, left behind in a distant port! It's some sort of natural law, it is!

Not sure if this is a nit or not

LAMA Maps - Kyplynger forest is shown as having two roads in parralel running through it, about 20 miles apart. But in the text I get the distinct feeling that there is only one. Or is one some sort of boundary?

Like a Mighty Army,First Edition, hardcover. P. 164.

The duke hadn't seemed very enthused by their combined force's new designation, Almaraz had noted. According to his informants, Harless had lobbied hard for simply absorbing Ahlverez's own force into the Army of Justice. Fortunately, someone back in Gorath had obviously realized how Ahlverez' men and officers would have reacted to that idea, at least.

Who is Almaraz? And why is it "Ahlverez's own forces," but "Ahlverez' men?"

~Tonto

Tonto Silerheels wrote:Like a Mighty Army,First Edition, hardcover. P. 164.

The duke hadn't seemed very enthused by their combined force's new designation, Almaraz had noted. According to his informants, Harless had lobbied hard for simply absorbing Ahlverez's own force into the Army of Justice. Fortunately, someone back in Gorath had obviously realized how Ahlverez' men and officers would have reacted to that idea, at least.

Who is Almaraz? And why is it "Ahlverez's own forces," but "Ahlverez' men?"

~Tonto

Hi Tonto,

This is pretty nitty, but that's what the thread is about... Obviously a proof reading error that is now enshrined for all time...

Don