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Re: Steam Engines
Post by alj_sf   » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:28 pm

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Thucydides wrote:No one has mentioned Hot Air engines or Stirling engines yet. Since early steam engines had a nasty tendency to suffer boiler explosions, Hot Air engines (of which the Stirling is the most evolved) were developed as substitutes.

These sorts of engines, while heavy and low powered like their steam counterparts of the time, provided much of the same benefits as steam engines without the danger. Indeed, had things gone a bit differently in history, these sorts of engines may have displaced steam engines in many applications, since they dispensed with the weight of the boiler and water, and the Stirling engine is the most efficient type of engine possible (working at close to the "ideal" Carnot cycle for heat engines).

OF course, like all engines, they also benefit from being built to close tolerances, which seems to be beyond the state of the art for the CoGA controlled territories.


An added benefit of stirlings is that you can build them with seals only on the cold side which is great as things like greased felt and leather compounds become possible.

However, there is a lot of subleties involved in designing a good stirling and the church not having the ressources of an helpful PICA wont be able to do it, I think
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Re: Steam Engines
Post by AirTech   » Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:41 pm

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Otherwise, I would observe that Temple probably has a limited time left before things go south on them militarily. My guess is about a year extreme outside. Not much time to build something for which you only have a description of principles rather than actual plans.

Don


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Building the steam engine is the easy bit.

If you have plant setup for a watermill, a beam type steam engine is a simple retrofit - shaft speeds are almost identical. If you have the engine drive a mill wheel you have a paddle steamer... (screw engines are harder as the shaft speed is much higher).

Rebuilding your industry to take advantage of it is another thing entirely!


Personally, I think that the steam engine design is a double edged sword, that is going to turn around and bite the Temple on the but - as they will devote resourses to develop a steam engine and a practical use for it, and then (as Don pointed out) have the war end.....

Low pressure beam type steam engines have shaft speeds similar to a water wheel and similar power outputs so it would be simple to swap one for the other. Coupling a water wheel to a steam engine gets you a paddle steamer. Screw drives require better machining tolerances due to the higher shaft speeds, the pay off for military use is they are harder to hit with cannon being both smaller and totally submerged (and more efficient).
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