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Re: Title of Next book
Post by C. O. Thompson   » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:43 pm

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dobriennm wrote:
evilauthor wrote:Anyone else think that "At the sign of triumph" is an OMINOUS title for a book? I'm thinking that Charis is about to win the war when something unexpected happens to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory... or at least an unexpected challenge appears to make victory harder than expected (a story version of a video game boss battle).

Of course, the titles of the books in this series are almost entirely tangential to the events in them. So there's PROBABLY not going to be some eleventh hour angelic appearance to save the Church.

Probably.


"At the Sign of Triumph" is another line from "Onward Christian Soldiers", just like "Hell's Foundations Quiver".


At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee



After all, the good guys are going up against the Mighty Host, right?

And the expectation is that the Mighty Host are going to be routed, i.e., flee, correct?

And the Mighty Host is on the side of the evil, true?

So not an OMINOUS title from the point of view of Charis.

And the doubt and fear that Rayno saw in Clyntahn was definitely Hell's Foundations Quivering! (As well as the Inquisitors not being as diligent, the camp guards turning on the Inquisitors and the Mighty Host commander "imaginatively" interpreting his orders). So the foundations are definitely quivering by the end of HFQ.



Good thinking... Both of you.
I had not sung <or even read the words> to Onward Christian Solders for many years and when you pointed us there... I ran a search for that phrase and saw that Like a Mighty Army was another title pulled from that song...
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by jchilds   » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:04 pm

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I'll opine that "At the Sign of Triumph" could go either way, since one can localize the verse to "At the sign of triumph Shan-Wei's host doth flee", which makes who "flees" a little murkier...
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by dobriennm   » Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:26 pm

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jchilds wrote:I'll opine that "At the Sign of Triumph" could go either way, since one can localize the verse to "At the sign of triumph Shan-Wei's host doth flee", which makes who "flees" a little murkier...



Agreed (and the point has been made to me before). On the other hand, I'm simply suggesting the COGA is on the side of evil (based on the Inquisitor's actions/deeds), so it's the Mighty host that will flee.

But I do get the role reversal of Shan-Wei and Satan.
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by elwnyc   » Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:46 am

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And after At the Sign of Triumph...if there is another one...A phrase from the hymn that begins "Once to every man and nation, comes the moment to decide; In the strife of truth with falsehood, for the good or evil side."

Though really, that's been the theme of the whole series, hasn't it?
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by thanatos   » Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:02 am

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dobriennm wrote:
jchilds wrote:I'll opine that "At the Sign of Triumph" could go either way, since one can localize the verse to "At the sign of triumph Shan-Wei's host doth flee", which makes who "flees" a little murkier...



Agreed (and the point has been made to me before). On the other hand, I'm simply suggesting the COGA is on the side of evil (based on the Inquisitor's actions/deeds), so it's the Mighty host that will flee.

But I do get the role reversal of Shan-Wei and Satan.


Actually, it would be the height of irony if the Holy Writ contains that phrase "At the sign of triumph Shan-Wei's host doth flee" and it is read in sermons to the Mighty Host and plastered on every Church broadsheet. The very worst thing the Church can do is pin all of it's hopes on the Mighty Host since it's defeat or destruction would shatter that hope.
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by Expert snuggler   » Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:34 pm

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Well taken point.

They have to pin all their hopes on the Mighty Host. They have nothing else left to use unless Inquisitor Hermione finds a book in the closed shelf of the Temple Library entitled "What to do if Shan-Wei returns".
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by Peter2   » Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:30 pm

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Expert snuggler wrote:Well taken point.

They have to pin all their hopes on the Mighty Host. They have nothing else left to use unless Inquisitor Hermione finds a book in the closed shelf of the Temple Library entitled "What to do if Shan-Wei returns".


I was just thinking – the classic answer to a mass assault by a Might Host" is a large number of machine guns. But I've seen no textev for them. I can't help wondering why, unless Merlin is doing his best to avoid the step increase in carnage that it would cause. Anybody got any better guesses, guys?
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by Expert snuggler   » Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:49 pm

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The usual explanation here has been that machine guns would consume cartridges faster than Charis can manufacture them, and that they may depend on better powder than the good guys have yet.

Does Safehold have barbed wire? If not, Merlin might do one of his "Golly, I wonder what would happen if" speeches on a visit to Howsmynn. Howsmynn might enjoy learning about a product that he can continue to sell even if peace breaks out someday.

Merlin may feel truly sick if the defeat of the Mighty Host involves casualties on the scale of the Western Front.
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Re: Title of Next book
Post by n7axw   » Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:24 pm

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Actually the best answer to massed assaults is artillery.

Artillery has been the deciding factor of every major battle so far with the exception of the first battle of Thesmar and the Kyplynger Forrest.

In fact artillery grows more dominant all the time, both in terms of numbers and level of sophistication.

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Re: Title of Next book
Post by Hildum   » Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:51 pm

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n7axw wrote:Actually the best answer to massed assaults is artillery.

Artillery has been the deciding factor of every major battle so far with the exception of the first battle of Thesmar and the Kyplynger Forrest.

In fact artillery grows more dominant all the time, both in terms of numbers and level of sophistication.

Don

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According to some documentaries I recently watched, 60% of casualties during WW1 were caused by artillery. I really do not think the Mighty Host is going to fair well at all in their first encounters with the ICA.
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