SilverbladeTE wrote:Funny thing is, while I consider myself largely a "socialist"....I agree that wee need a vastly broader and diverse government and that "Big government" is indeed *bad*
But then, my concept of "socialism" is completely different to the zealots and political parties who are puirblind control freaks and power hungry rats!
Lincoln was probably on that road as well (humane careful socialism) as back then Republican, Democrat *and* Libertarian meant completely.different things than today.
Celtic and then Saxon views and crucially, laws, were vastly different than the Norman scum who warped our countries, sigh. Concern for the welfare of the community and its resources, not egotistical greed or loony control freakery
Read up.on the ENCLOSURE ACTS in UK history to see how things went to hell.
Socialism to me should be about caring about the community, not arrogance of "the Big Party" hammering its cyclopean will on everyone...and making a ghastly mess in the process.
Worst scum in the UK were the Dukes of Hamilton, not only did they sell our Parliament out (official history we were taught is a lie, those vermin did it for tax evasion etc), but they made Debt Bondage slavery the rule of law for miners, salters and metal workers from around 1600 to 1700AD in direct contravention of the prior rule and absolutely the spirit of our law, grrr!
So if you tried to leave your job you had to pay back an impossible sum, thus folk were brought back in chains, whipped of even executed
See also the Hamilton's association with the Nazis.(prewar support and Hess' flight to Scotland) and Satanists (Hellfire Club, recorded historical fact, doesn't tell you what locals knew about them however, Hellfire Club had lot of jaded hedonists and protestors against the hypocritical straight jacket morals of the church so most of em were not "evil"...Hamilton's though were just bloody evil and that is NOT from mere gossip, sigh)
Hamilton's built the biggest non-royal palace in Europe from the suffering and death of my ancestors...but their greed made them force their miners to dig out every coal and iron band seam...and undermined their palace and it collapsed, buhaha!
Iirc they owned over 2000.slaves in Barbados?? Alone, never mind their other plantations, we know this from the moneey they demanded from freeing their slaves when slavery was banned
Horrendous family, hence in alt history story I'm slowly writing, they get wiped out :p they were also toadies for Edward Longshanks...who, fyi was a monster, he had over 20,000 civilians butchered when he took Berwick, cause they "dissed" him and he wanted to financially ruin Scotland, of course he didn't understand commerce and that it also wrecked England's trade systems...as well.as his abuse, robbery and banishment of the Jews from England
Another of history were weren't taught about....
Pity the Jewish folk.of Europe didn't settle.here, Declaration of Arbroath gave them equal.rights (in Medieval sense) and we never had antiSemitism here as a social evil
Scottish Norman nobility were our worst problem, never the "english" (who also suffered under.similar scumbags)
Britain avoided the huge slaughters of the Continent thanks to being an island and it helped concepts of Human Rights, Rule of Law, Science and Democracy grow...but we sure had our problems, ick!
Industrialists and nobility secretely funded Sectarianism in late 1800s, both sides, catholic/irish against protestant/scots, so neither side would work together for fair pay and treatment
Rather than heroic war stories, I can give you ghastly ones of how men and children died in the steel works etc.
Relative of mine had a mental break down after.his best mate.was torn apart above him by the winding cables of an overhead crane, for example...no safety systems, bosses didn't care...also they didnt invest, so men were slaughtered and maimed and the owners businesses became more and more uneconomic and failed
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Anyway...
First Past the Post voting systems ensured UK and USA became Two Party Systems and that is not Democracy and is eventually, as we see....CATASTROPHIC!
It's not about "left" or "right" it's all about crony corruptionwe have "kleptocracies"
The System has all become about lobbyists, manipulating political office to gain corrupt positions and wealth after they leave office with corporations or lobbying groups
I can give plenty of examples from both sides and how dangerous it's actually got....the morons PRIVATIZED the maintenance and safety of the Coulport munitions base...where the UK stores two hundred hydrogen bombs....30 miles from Glasgow....
The military and many others had kittens over that lunacy
They also privatized Aldermaston that makes and up keeps the bombs...which then had a disastrous fire....
Etc etc
Yeah Democracy is the best of a bad bunch but we don't even have Democracy at all!
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Back to Safehold
Charis will have to support Dholar
why let an ally get wrecked by a nation gone to hell?
Siddermark will.have to learn painful lessons alas
And the Harchong Emperor and Mahris need butt kicked too...losing a war will spark revolutions
I was wondering why so much of your history of the U.K. is what you might call 'highly interpreted', but then I came to 'the official history is a lie'.
Anecdotal Evidence is not 'The Truth'. It's part of the truth, told by people who were there. One of the major problems in Safehold is not 'the official history is a lie' ( though it is) - it's the mountains upon mountains of anecdotal evidence, all completely truthful. And all of which combine to support that lie, even though the people concerned are being completely truthful.
I can give you ghastly war stories too, of corners being cut and my grandad being nearly killed because the rush to build planes was so great they were still doing the final checks as they flew them down to the airfield. Or Safeholdians could tell you how they met real, living angels and Archangels.
But what's the wider context? Everyone 's telling the truth, but is the big picture right? People not caring, or people terrified of invasion? Real Angels, or a Command Crew with PTSD?
Context. I hope Schueler is really Scueler, because it takes us into a new phase, a new person's perspective.
And in fact, all these horrific acts are allowed by Safeholdian rules of war.