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Re: Hidden Order in Siddarmark
Post by JeffEngel   » Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:27 pm

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mhicks wrote:Two thoughts from reading this thread.
1) Could the gunpowder come from Adams remembering the product, it's use and formulation/name? (One of the Adams might have been a historian who liked making black powder muskets as a hobby)
Not directly, at least - the very last Adams and Eves would've died before YOG 200, and gunpowder wasn't introduced until YOG 805, and all the memories the Adams and Eves had had should have been lost. Khody had some leakage, but that was probably a result of the seijinization process, so it'd've only applied to a small, select bunch - whose journals and diaries would likely have come in for special scrutiny by the Angels for anything of the sort.

However... it may have been experimented with or even outright approved by the Church for use in the War Against the Fallen. If they tried to put the genie back in the bottle after the War, they may not have managed to succeed perfectly and may not have given gunpowder the same "no, no, not ever" specific sort of anathema that electricity got in the Writ. (It's less of a "gateway technology".) If they didn't, then records of it and its manufacture - even incomplete ones - may have resulted in its rediscovery later on.

2) When Archbishop of Glacierheart escaped through tunnels that were older than the maps of the mines in the area, I wondered if there weren't more mines out there hiding a module. His mine was long and deep and run out of resources. It made me think that it was dug before or during the war of the fallen from how it was described in the book. I wondered why it had been dug in the first place from it's description.

Several hundred years' mining in an area would likely create a lot more tunnels than maps or memories of those tunnels. I wouldn't rule out War era tunnels, or leftovers from the terraforming process, but there's a whole lot of history available to get them made and forgotten after those times too. It'd be quite a coincidence for one of those tunnels to be both the hiding place of one of few or one such modules and the escape route of the Archbishop of Glacierheart.
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Re: Hidden Order in Siddarmark
Post by Thendisnia   » Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:19 pm

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Seems to me that darkest(no story elements/conversations) eastern China I mean Harchong contains the desolation mountains the last vestiges of the heldout Fallen by textev. Could be that this and eventually gun powder are plot points leading to the revealing of a Harchongese secret society that is maybe how RFC plans to wrap up the current arc in a single book. Maybe the Harchongese secret society is running the military and sues for peace/truces/leads to a relatively peaceful overthrow of The Harchongese Aristocracy and an opening of the direct path to the temple.
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Re: Hidden Order in Siddarmark
Post by mhicks   » Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:51 pm

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Thendisnia wrote:Seems to me that darkest(no story elements/conversations) eastern China I mean Harchong contains the desolation mountains the last vestiges of the heldout Fallen by textev. Could be that this and eventually gun powder are plot points leading to the revealing of a Harchongese secret society that is maybe how RFC plans to wrap up the current arc in a single book. Maybe the Harchongese secret society is running the military and sues for peace/truces/leads to a relatively peaceful overthrow of The Harchongese Aristocracy and an opening of the direct path to the temple.



So like in Brave Heart when the English send in mercenaries only to have the battle stop and everyone hug and turn on the English. The Go4 would not see that one coming, only problem I see is the Harchong army is east of the Temple along with the good guys army. No one is up and running on the west of the temple. and that is a lot of area to cover before getting to Zion. The Go4 could do a lot of fortification to the temple by the time they get there.
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Re: Hidden Order in Siddarmark
Post by n7axw   » Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:15 pm

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mhicks wrote:
Thendisnia wrote:Seems to me that darkest(no story elements/conversations) eastern China I mean Harchong contains the desolation mountains the last vestiges of the heldout Fallen by textev. Could be that this and eventually gun powder are plot points leading to the revealing of a Harchongese secret society that is maybe how RFC plans to wrap up the current arc in a single book. Maybe the Harchongese secret society is running the military and sues for peace/truces/leads to a relatively peaceful overthrow of The Harchongese Aristocracy and an opening of the direct path to the temple.



So like in Brave Heart when the English send in mercenaries only to have the battle stop and everyone hug and turn on the English. The Go4 would not see that one coming, only problem I see is the Harchong army is east of the Temple along with the good guys army. No one is up and running on the west of the temple. and that is a lot of area to cover before getting to Zion. The Go4 could do a lot of fortification to the temple by the time they get there.


And who is going to man the forts for them, the inquisitors? Can't you see it all now... the ramparts manned by the boys in Schuelerite robes, led by the intrepid and noble Zhasphar Clytahn, mowing down the Harchongese hordes with St Klymahns as they charge the ramparts.... :lol:

Don

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Re: Hidden Order in Siddarmark
Post by Thendisnia   » Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:29 pm

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n7axw wrote:
And who is going to man the forts for them, the inquisitors? Can't you see it all now... the ramparts manned by the boys in Schuelerite robes, led by the intrepid and noble Zhasphar Clytahn, mowing down the Harchongese hordes with St Klymahns as they charge the ramparts.... :lol:

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I like it Don right after he wipes out the Duchairn conspiracy - would wrap up all of RFC s loose ends and leave no strength of central leadership in the church meaning 20 years down the road an attempt to rebuild it's power by rich (from the churches current war efforts) misguided nobles leads to another more secular war of industry that then leads to a cold war technology push that gets us ready for the third chapter the push to space which of course has us come across the the remnants of the now extinct Ghaba - moral of the story = the timeless: "adapt and innovate or perish“.

RFC should have it all wrapped up in 30 Info dumps of human innovation history or about an even 100 Safehold years from the beginning of Merlin's awakening.

... And then of course just to mess with our brains on the cusp of his retirement RFCs last paragraph will be Nahrmahn Baytes discovering time travel drive because the universe is a circle and we will have been the Ghaba all along. Poetic Justice at its height as Temple loyalist elements secretly running the space navy proscriptally refusing to innovate as they wipe out the pesky Terran Federation and this time operation Ark and poof the whole universe ceases to exist. BUHAHAHA
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