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Why did Aivah warn Rayno?

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Re: Why did Aivah warn Rayno?
Post by BobG   » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:16 pm

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I previously wrote:
Just as an aside, I note that while we've seen a number of CoGA players occasionally having a drink (and the same is certainly true of the Alliance folks), we have not seen anyone higher up who is "drowning their sorrows" with too much drink.

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Really? Does Thirsk right before Merlin walks in on him not count?

Ok, you're right, but that's a special case.

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Re: Why did Aivah warn Rayno?
Post by Expert snuggler   » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:00 pm

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It's something oddly absent. By now, one of the people the Inner Circle has told that there is no Santa Claus should have broken down and started slow-motion suicide by bottle.
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Re: Why did Aivah warn Rayno?
Post by OrlandoNative   » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:30 pm

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Tonto Silerheels wrote:It seems to me that the fellow Murphai got out of Zion is the one who planted the explosives at Second Pasquale's, since there must have been several people who saw him leave it there. The people who got the word to him can be left in place since there had to be so many people who knew that a meeting was taking place, secretaries, executive officers, groomsmen, etc.

If I remember what I read correctly, "the fellow" was listed as one of the casualties of the bombing. The reason "Murphai" got him out of Zion was that since he was well known to the Inquisition there, had he turned up alive after being formally listed as dead, it would have raised questions not easily answered. And since he was a member of Aivah's Zion organization, it wouldn't have been all that smart to leave him in a situation where just being noticed would probably lead to a (more than somewhat painful) questioning by the Inquisition, which, of course, would have netted them a lot of information no one would have wanted them to have.
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Re: Why did Aivah warn Rayno?
Post by JeffEngel   » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:35 pm

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Expert snuggler wrote:It's something oddly absent. By now, one of the people the Inner Circle has told that there is no Santa Claus should have broken down and started slow-motion suicide by bottle.

They've had some freedom to pick people out for the reveal with being able to handle it as a qualification. And where they haven't had much freedom, they've generally been doing it with people who would not have been where they were and needing to know without being pretty tough-minded: Sharleyan, Seahamper, Irys, Nynian [!], Sandaria.

Heck, the people who've had what felt to them probably as the hardest times with it - Sardaria, Yardley - look to me like they really wished they couldn't believe it rather than had doubts in their head. They're not happy learning the Writ's a lie and the archangels bad humans, but they're not enough willing to swallow that these friends are demons or demon-worshippers and that's the alternative.

I'm sure if they picked people out randomly to suffer a cold Reveal, they'd have all kinds of unfortunate responses. Care has taken them a long way, and luck's been there to take up the remaining slack so far. As the Inner Circle widens, they do have a wider (pardon) circle for mutual support when it's hard to take. Maikel Staynair's quite a good listener, and he's got a friendly, open theology. They've got going for them too that they're not simply a conspiracy or a socially isolated group of coworkers: they're friends, there to help.
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Re: Why did Aivah warn Rayno?
Post by BobG   » Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:11 am

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Expert snuggler wrote:It's something oddly absent. By now, one of the people the Inner Circle has told that there is no Santa Claus should have broken down and started slow-motion suicide by bottle.

By "inner circle", are you talking about the Charisian inner circle or the Go4 and Rayno and such?

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Re: Why did Aivah warn Rayno?
Post by Expert snuggler   » Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:26 am

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Charis, but now that you mention it, there must be people who are fleeing an unresolvable internal conflict between their faith in the Writ and their loyalty to the Church by turning to chemicals.
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Re: Why did Aivah warn Rayno?
Post by Randomiser   » Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:45 am

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BobG wrote:I previously wrote:
Just as an aside, I note that while we've seen a number of CoGA players occasionally having a drink (and the same is certainly true of the Alliance folks), we have not seen anyone higher up who is "drowning their sorrows" with too much drink.

evilauthor replied:
Really? Does Thirsk right before Merlin walks in on him not count?

Ok, you're right, but that's a special case.

-- Bob G

There is also the big scene in one of the first 2 books (OAR, I think) where suspicions about his son in law lead a very highly placed Charisian into a monumental bender which ends up with him going off to confront said S in L and having to be rescued by Merlin. (Sorry, brain not working re names this afternoon)
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Re: Why did Aivah warn Rayno?
Post by Randomiser   » Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:59 am

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n7axw wrote:Things are unraveling in Zion almost as fast in Zion as on the battlefield.

I wonder if Rayno ever got around to informing Clyntahn about that letter... I don't remembering any textev suggesting that he did.

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Yep, no textev, but its very hard to believe Rayno didn't show Clyntahn the letter. We have textev for an extensive and high level review of security precautions concerning both of them which must have led to some changes in routine, procedures and guard levels. Does anyone really think our favourite paranoid a) didn't notice any of this or b) didn't demand to know just exactly what was going on and why? Or that Rayno wouldn't have figured out right from the start that it was impossible to hide the letter for those reasons?

We don't have textev for sunrise most days on Safehold, doesn't mean to say we don't know it happened. :D
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Re: Why did Aivah warn Rayno?
Post by JeffEngel   » Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:44 pm

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Randomiser wrote:There is also the big scene in one of the first 2 books (OAR, I think) where suspicions about his son in law lead a very highly placed Charisian into a monumental bender which ends up with him going off to confront said S in L and having to be rescued by Merlin. (Sorry, brain not working re names this afternoon)

Earl Grey Harbor suspecting (tragically and correctly) his beloved son in law, the Duke of Tyrian. OAR, not even that far in.
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Re: Why did Aivah warn Rayno?
Post by CJK   » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:25 am

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In the Safehold books there is only a suspicion that Clyntahn cheated his way to the Grand Inquisitor position. Interesting comments about how Clyntahn is certain Rayno "proved" loyalty, or the suspicions of his opponent for the position having dark suspicions. MWW made a lengthy post in this forum stating Clyntahn actually did cheat but it is not stated in the books.

The post being from MWW also went into detail how Clyntahn's method of operation has been the same pretty throughout the series. An example of this is that he planned to go after Charis before Bishop Erayk left the Temple and the meeting where he dropped his bombshells to scare monger the Go4 into attacking Charis was planned from the outset.
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