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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?] a
Post by n7axw   » Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:09 pm

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peke wrote:WOOT WOOT WOOT! Snippet! RFC is alive and well! PRAISE THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!!!

Ahem.

A lot of food for thought here. First and foremost is that the CoGA is not just playing catch-up anymore, but they've begun to produce original innovations. A primitive bazooka is on the design table, and they've also reinvented the Parrott method for cannon making. And since the entire conversation is not being held in the Temple precints, we'll probably get to see a Merlin appearance musing about all those innovations.



Yes. The church is producing some innovations. But it is still a case of the tortise chasing the hare. But unlike the way the old fable turned out, in this case, the hare is in full sprint mode.

The tech gap between the EOC and the Temple continues to widen. That the tortise is moving doesn't mean that he is really catching up.

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Re: HFQ Snippet 27 (Part two) Weapons SPOILERS
Post by Weird Harold   » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:14 am

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Larry wrote:Are we talking Hale Rockets? <i.e. http://weebau.com/history/hale_rock.htm>


Closer to the WWII German nebelwerfer

Note the baseplate of the extra rocket motor under the warhead:

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Answers! I got lots of answers!

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Re: HFQ Snippet 27 (Part two) Weapons SPOILERS
Post by Brigade XO   » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:41 am

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For the cartridges, yes they are talking about paper cartridges. As an example from our history, Soldiers fighting in the American Revolution were issued cartridge boxes, despite metal cartridges being the better part of 50 years in the future. .[/quote]

Cartriages boxes were around well before the American Revolution. I have a repro French & Indian (Seven Years)War box that holds 27 rounds. You are talking rolled paper cartriges with round ball that were massed produced either by armories or in private contractors or by sitting soldiers down and just makeing them up and then packaging them for shipment and distribution. This gives you a standardized round to fit the guns you have issued to your troops. Given that you wanted to have a relativly high rate of fire, they had to provide the soldiers with an effective way to carry the cartridges, make them accessable for rapid reloading and provide protection from weather. Hence a box with a block inside of it having holes drilled that would take Y number of standardized (for your army's issued weapons ) cartridges.
Civilian arms were, in the vast majority, also smoothbores but were in a wide range of calibers. Essentially shotguns and often used for hunting. You were customizing your own loads from loose powder in a "horn" and what projectiles you found usefull for what you intended to shoot at. Give the range of bore sizes etc, you had to bring your own ammunition and if it was going to be anything other than some size of birdshot you were going to be casting your own roundball from your own mold. Most civilians would use some sort of hunting bag to carry the gear and customized it (or not) to their own needs. Milita requirements were to bring you own firearm and enough powder and shot (presumed to be round ball) for X number of shots WITH YOUR FIREARM.
With relativly little practice, you can become quite proficient at loading and fireing the standard military smoothbore flintlock musket quickly. Accuracy is a different matter but when what you are doing is musket drill using prepaired live rounds from a box hanging off you hip and standing upright (ball down) in the block, you really can get to the 4 rounds a minute that was the goal of the British Army.
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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?] a
Post by Dilandu   » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:10 pm

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At least! Don't underestimate the rocket artillery, heretics! :) Maybe we at least have some nice Charisian defeat, that break their Mary-Sue appearance? ;)

Thank you, RFC!
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Oh well, if shortening the front is what the Germans crave,
Let's shorten it to very end - the length of Fuhrer's grave.

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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?] a
Post by n7axw   » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:36 pm

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Dilandu wrote:At least! Don't underestimate the rocket artillery, heretics! :) Maybe we at least have some nice Charisian defeat, that break their Mary-Sue appearance? ;)

Thank you, RFC!


The rockets are really about the only thing added to the mix that concerns me. Everything else that we know about are simply inferior answers to what the alliance has already introduced.

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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?] a
Post by Dilandu   » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:50 pm

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n7axw wrote:
The rockets are really about the only thing added to the mix that concerns me. Everything else that we know about are simply inferior answers to what the alliance has already introduced.

Don


We'll see. :)
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Oh well, if shortening the front is what the Germans crave,
Let's shorten it to very end - the length of Fuhrer's grave.

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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?] a
Post by Isilith   » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:58 pm

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Dilandu wrote:At least! Don't underestimate the rocket artillery, heretics! :) Maybe we at least have some nice Charisian defeat, that break their Mary-Sue appearance? ;)

Thank you, RFC!


Yeah, not going to happen. And sort of stupid to cheer for it to happen, unless you want to see the CoGA win the war.

When a much smaller army gets defeated, they tend to be annihilated... Any army that the allies lost, would leave Siddarmark open to be immediately occupied. Because it would leave an unguarded avenue to advance on, and take, the capital.

Yeah, the EoC on its own again, great idea.
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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?] a
Post by Dilandu   » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:04 pm

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Isilith wrote:
Yeah, not going to happen. And sort of stupid to cheer for it to happen, unless you want to see the CoGA win the war.



I want to see something other than "all-powerfull charisian army/navy/secret service/two year-old childrens/messenger wyverns, crushed opposing forces without any hard." Currently, the war is in Mary-Sue stage - one side is always winning, the other is always loosing. All this made the global conflict much less impressive, and actually reduces all to the idea of "who have a bigger gun is always right".
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Oh well, if shortening the front is what the Germans crave,
Let's shorten it to very end - the length of Fuhrer's grave.

(Red Army lyrics from 1945)
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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?] a
Post by Keith_w   » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:05 pm

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n7axw wrote:
Dilandu wrote:At least! Don't underestimate the rocket artillery, heretics! :) Maybe we at least have some nice Charisian defeat, that break their Mary-Sue appearance? ;)

Thank you, RFC!


The rockets are really about the only thing added to the mix that concerns me. Everything else that we know about are simply inferior answers to what the alliance has already introduced.

Don


I think it possible that the OBS may react in a negative manner to the use of weaponized (as opposed to signal) rockets. Wouldn't that be a not so pleasant surprise for the Jihadists!
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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?] a
Post by Isilith   » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:48 pm

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Dilandu wrote:
Isilith wrote:
Yeah, not going to happen. And sort of stupid to cheer for it to happen, unless you want to see the CoGA win the war.



I want to see something other than "all-powerfull charisian army/navy/secret service/two year-old childrens/messenger wyverns, crushed opposing forces without any hard." Currently, the war is in Mary-Sue stage - one side is always winning, the other is always loosing. All this made the global conflict much less impressive, and actually reduces all to the idea of "who have a bigger gun is always right".



Yeah, no idea what series you have been reading.
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