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Slavery and Serfdom, why, how?

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Re: Slavery and Serfdom, why, how?
Post by Direwolf18   » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:05 pm

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runsforcelery wrote:

You people are so suspicious! Can't imagine where you get that from. :twisted:



You. Entirely you, I started your book series trusting what authors would tell me at semi face value, now I gotta look under every nook and cranny for hidden clues of how I am busy thinking one thing and whoops, nope.

Also I for one am putting my vote in for the history of Siddimark, always been a big fan of the Republic, if there was any prequel story I had a particular interest in, that would be it.
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Re: Slavery and Serfdom, why, how?
Post by Alistair   » Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:12 am

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yeah I also would vote for a story on Siddarmark beginings
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Re: Slavery and Serfdom, why, how?
Post by ywing14   » Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:41 am

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Annachie wrote:The Sword of the Lord Protector could also be the sword of the guy who lead the revolt aainst the dastardly oppressive king who made all the peasants eat cake.

Actually, I bet there was another planted enclave similar to Saint Whatsits in Charis that inspired said revolt and government.

One that probably went back into hiding.


That’s a great thought!
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Re: Slavery and Serfdom, why, how?
Post by Annachie   » Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:48 am

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Direwolf18 wrote:
runsforcelery wrote:

You people are so suspicious! Can't imagine where you get that from. :twisted:



You. Entirely you, I started your book series trusting what authors would tell me at semi face value, now I gotta look under every nook and cranny for hidden clues of how I am busy thinking one thing and whoops, nope.


There's a difference between this and say the outright author lie in The Lost Symbol.
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Re: Slavery and Serfdom, why, how?
Post by Direwolf18   » Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:08 am

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Never said or meant to implied be lied. He has successfully tricked me by playing on my expectations however more then once. Realized how I got played as the rope a dope more semi frequently when I reread the series.
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Re: Slavery and Serfdom, why, how?
Post by evilauthor   » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:15 pm

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I still think the series would have been better if the first book had been done entirely from the Safeholdian perspective with the high tech reveal being done at the end. It'd read like a low fantasy steampunk setting with the true origins only being hinted at with things like baseball and the name "Merlin".
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Re: Slavery and Serfdom, why, how?
Post by EdThomas   » Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:01 pm

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I would be very happy to wait for the national development stories until after the Gbaba have been destroyed. RFC has limited keystroke capacity (I know he dictates) and I would rather he not go off on side tracks. :D
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Re: Slavery and Serfdom, why, how?
Post by DrakBibliophile   » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:07 am

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We know you? :lol:

runsforcelery wrote:
Annachie wrote:The Sword of the Lord Protector could also be the sword of the guy who lead the revolt aainst the dastardly oppressive king who made all the peasants eat cake.

Actually, I bet there was another planted enclave similar to Saint Whatsits in Charis that inspired said revolt and government.

One that probably went back into hiding.




You people are so suspicious! Can't imagine where you get that from. :twisted:
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Re: Slavery and Serfdom, why, how?
Post by zyffyr   » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:03 am

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runsforcelery wrote:You people are so suspicious! Can't imagine where you get that from. :twisted:



To paraphrase the bad 80s anti-drug commercials...

"You. We learned it from watching you."
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Re: Slavery and Serfdom, why, how?
Post by evilauthor   » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:27 am

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Hmm. A thought in Siddarmark Republicanism... sort of:

Even before Merlin and Charis becoming an Empire, all the out islands had parliaments, a quasi-legislative body where the nobles and high ranking clergy of the land get together. But not a single mainland monarchy that we've seen has a parliament, or at least, not one important enough to actually be mentioned in the story.

And as I've previously mentioned, it's likely that the out-islands aped the mainland nations when putting a government together, especially since they likely did it later.

So my thought: monarchies with parliaments is how the angels and Writ mandated governments should be, at least at the start. Or maybe they didn't mandate it, but had the first countries bigger than a single village made that way.

Countries however evolve with time. The out-island kingdoms were young enough to still have parliaments. Most of the mainland nations though had their parliaments whither away, usually to centralize power in the monarch (or the bureaucracy in Harchong's case).

Siddarmark however went in the OTHER direction. Instead of withering away, their parliament became more important to their government. They started expanding the franchise early on. Some angel probably looked in on it and dropped the word "Republic" which Siddarmark embraced.

And the Temple Lands of course probably stays closest to its original form of government, at least until current events. The Grand Vicar and Council of Vicars IS the Temple Lands' government.

And irony of ironies, I suspect that the reason the Lord Protector is an elected position was done to ape the way the Grand Vicar gets elected. I suspect alot of Siddarmark's original Republican structure was done to copy the way the CoGA was run.

I mean, it can't be coincidence that the ONLY other major political unit other than Siddarmark that elects its leader is Mother Church herself, right?
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