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by n7axw » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:29 pm | |
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I wonder if your definition of brilliance might not be too narrow. As has been pointed out her ability to converse with Seamount in his specialty does demonstrate some smarts and she has come up with some ideas he's taken and run with.
But leaving that aside, where Sharleyan really shines is at doing her job. She intuitively knows how the situations she confronts must be handled and she has a knack at inspiring trust. Consider how she handled those trials in Corisande or how she dealt with Daivyn and Irys. Think of how she knows when to be firm with her councilors in both Chisholm and Charis. Politics? Of course. Politicians have a bad name, but a skilled politician who is looking to advance the commom good without feathering his own nest is a gem beyond price. That, I think describes Sharleyan. As for Lyonheart, don't take him too seriously... He's fallen in love with her ...as have we all! Don When any group seeks political power in God's name, both religion and politics are instantly corrupted.
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by SWM » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:02 pm | |
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High intelligence does not automatically mean an understanding of technology. You are correct that we do not have any evidence that Sharleyan understands or even wishes to understand Federation technology. But that does not mean she is not intelligent. Not every intelligent person is interested in technology, nor is it necessary. You seem to be equating intelligence with technology and it simply isn't true. Juggling political alliances, conniving nobles, economic changes, and bootlicking posturers requires at least as much intelligence as programming a computer. --------------------------------------------
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by Mhilgtx » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:53 am | |
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You have a really good point and I really think. It might also be that since the whole match making episode is nails on a chalk board material for me also plays. An unfair part in my perception.
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by Mhilgtx » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:58 am | |
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That. Came out wrong, my point is that just because. She understood some tech doesn't mean she is brilliant. I also freely admit that I have read the books each at least once but have listened to them probably ten times each can give a different. Perspective. Over. Justreading.
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by lyonheart » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:14 am | |
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Hi Mhilgtx,
Thank you, but you need to apologise for such an unfounded claim, which is insulting if not ignorant by its very baseless charge. No I'm not in love with Sharleyan, but I do respect her, she's a great character, and besides, she's Cayleb's. Although OWL seems to like her a bit too much. You have yet to provide any evidence that's she's in any way a dim bulb, even with technology she never had a clue existed less than 4 years ago. Given your far better education and familiarity with high tech, how well do you do with tech stuff less than 4 years old? Show me where she's ever acted like a dim ignorant "cheer leader". You can't, because she hasn't. Given the far greater difficulty of success in politics, especially over the long term, her brilliant performance in every scene from OAR onward ought to have settled any of your concerns about her intelligence, if you had fully comprehended how much she's accomplished in less than 20 years. Calling her 'politically savvy' is another insult. Besides Gray Harbor wondering if she isn't smarter than Cayleb already cited, show me one person who's met her who doesn't recognise her intelligence and wisdom. So called "people skills' may be downplayed by the ignorant or jealous, but the truly successful leaders are brilliant if not geniuses at getting other people to do what they want, and that includes using every tool possible including all available tech. Indeed, managing high tech is child's play by comparison. Furthermore, given her limited time to peruse OWL's data banks, show me where and how she's somehow a dim bulb when most people today have trouble explaining the details of how a smart phone works in a rational logical manner, or anything else 'high tech' for that matter. The fact that she not Merlin, who naturally understands all that federation high tech stuff, recognised that the com had to be replaced with the far better hidden voice activated coms etc, ASAP, indicated she had a much better understanding of the inner circle's security requirements than Merlin, whose gift of a pager to King Haarahld VII left a little something to be desired, especially for someone so tech wise. If you're going to complain about someone making gratuitous mistakes with federation tech, Merlin's a far better candidate than Sharleyan; with far less to excuse. But then if Merlin were perfect, never made any mistakes, ie was superhuman in every respect, would you bother reading the series or listening to it around ten times? Perhaps its the female voice you're listening to that irritates you to make this assault on Sharleyan, but there's certainly no actual textev. The major reason Spider-man became such a huge success so quickly in the early '60's was because he wasn't perfect like so many super heroes then, and far more readers identified with him than the then near perfect rest of the comic-book super heroes. Perhaps if you really tried to put yourself in her shoes, then ask yourself would you do as well given where she started, ie not knowing a thing about electricity to start with etc, you might begin to realise why the rest of us know she's brilliant. She's not perfect, but she a very well crafted character by a master storyteller. You don't have to like her and you don't have to read or listen to the books, but claiming she's something she's not is rather silly when there's no textev to support your apparent irritation, whatever the cause. Regarding Cayleb's sense of guilt for not leading his men in battle, he's only 23-24 in T-years, and while very well taught by his father, he still doesn't have the decades of emotional armor experience of dealing with losing friends and strangers fighting and dying for him. Would you rather he was immune to such feelings? So far, your complaints seem less mature than future posts I look forward to when you have something more appropriate to propose. But you'll need to cite textev first. L *quote**quote* Any snippet or post from RFC is good if not great!
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