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Re: Question about satelites
Post by Kytheros   » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:35 am

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Thucydides wrote:To counter the natural orbital path of a satellite will require some sort of application of energy, which should be obvious to outside observers (especially the orbiting bombardment system).

Using known technology, you wold have to be thrusting constantly with some sort of rocket, or suspended beneath a huge solar sail (Statite). If using anti gravity, you are somehow building a "mountain" out of space/time to lift yourself out of the gravity well, which should have all kinds of odd effects that the enemy AI would notice.

So using some sort of "handwavium" to suspend yourself in space in defiance of orbital mechanics will draw unwanted attention to yourself.

On the other hand, Federation-level technology is not really what the monitoring systems are designed to detect and interfere with.

The monitoring systems are mostly designed to go after the early indicators of technological advancement. Early experimentation on electricity is no doubt on the list of triggers, and electricity production and transmission. They're designed with the preconception that any Federation-level technology is an Angel or Archangel, or one of their trusted agents, and therefore approved. The system may track/monitor/record the activities of Federation-level technologies, but it's not going to trigger an alarm just on movement or communications. It'd probably alert on Federation-level energy-intensive weapons fire (energy weapons, and possibly railguns/mass drivers).
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Re: Question about satelites
Post by Dilandu   » Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:38 am

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Kytheros wrote:
The monitoring systems are mostly designed to go after the early indicators of technological advancement. Early experimentation on electricity is no doubt on the list of triggers, and electricity production and transmission. They're designed with the preconception that any Federation-level technology is an Angel or Archangel, or one of their trusted agents, and therefore approved. The system may track/monitor/record the activities of Federation-level technologies, but it's not going to trigger an alarm just on movement or communications. It'd probably alert on Federation-level energy-intensive weapons fire (energy weapons, and possibly railguns/mass drivers).


On the surface - possible, but what about the space? The laser defense platforms around the "Rakurai" cluster suggested that the possibility of space attack against Archangels most powerfull weapons were considered. It seems logical to assume, that the system should search for any unauthorized spaceflights - at least to deter the possibility, that "Fallens" may hide some sort of anti-space weapon, programmed to strike the "Rakurai" after, for example, two or three centuries - when Archangels would no longer be here to interfere.
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Re: Question about satelites
Post by Dilandu   » Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:41 am

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On the other hands, the most possible location of Rakurai system is the Lagrange points of Safehold-Langhorne system. Probably the L4 and L5 points, the most stable equilibrium.

And to see something from this distance should be... difficult, at least by passive scans.
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Re: Question about satelites
Post by Joat42   » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:20 am

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Dilandu wrote:On the other hands, the most possible location of Rakurai system is the Lagrange points of Safehold-Langhorne system. Probably the L4 and L5 points, the most stable equilibrium.

And to see something from this distance should be... difficult, at least by passive scans.

And top of that the SNARC's are heavily stealthed...

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Re: Question about satelites
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:17 pm

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Joat42 wrote:
Dilandu wrote:On the other hands, the most possible location of Rakurai system is the Lagrange points of Safehold-Langhorne system. Probably the L4 and L5 points, the most stable equilibrium.

And to see something from this distance should be... difficult, at least by passive scans.

And top of that the SNARC's are heavily stealthed...

OTOH, since the SNARCs are heavily stealthed, is it not possible that the OBS has SNARCs of its own in close orbit around the planet to provide remote monitoring of activity on the planet? Certainly if Merlin has access to them, then the builders of the OBS did as well.
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Re: Question about satelites
Post by Dilandu   » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:43 pm

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fallsfromtrees wrote:OTOH, since the SNARCs are heavily stealthed, is it not possible that the OBS has SNARCs of its own in close orbit around the planet to provide remote monitoring of activity on the planet? Certainly if Merlin has access to them, then the builders of the OBS did as well.


Too hard to mantain active low orbital platforms for millenia. The atmosphere friction would eventually drag them down.

Maybe for first centuries after the war agains fallen, Archangels mantain some sort of low-orbit surveillance - just in case that some stubborn Fallen may decide to hide and wait until the Archangels would be no more - but they clearly could not suggest that some scheme may be prepared for eight centuries!
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Re: Question about satelites
Post by Dilandu   » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:45 pm

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Dilandu wrote:
fallsfromtrees wrote:OTOH, since the SNARCs are heavily stealthed, is it not possible that the OBS has SNARCs of its own in close orbit around the planet to provide remote monitoring of activity on the planet? Certainly if Merlin has access to them, then the builders of the OBS did as well.


Too hard to mantain active low orbital platforms for millenia. The atmosphere friction would eventually drag them down; so you need the working engines for a very, very long time.

Maybe for first centuries after the war agains fallen, Archangels mantain some sort of low-orbit surveillance - just in case that some stubborn Fallen may decide to hide and wait until the Archangels would be no more - but they clearly could not suggest that some scheme may be prepared for eight centuries!
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Re: Question about satelites
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:25 pm

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Dilandu wrote:
fallsfromtrees wrote:OTOH, since the SNARCs are heavily stealthed, is it not possible that the OBS has SNARCs of its own in close orbit around the planet to provide remote monitoring of activity on the planet? Certainly if Merlin has access to them, then the builders of the OBS did as well.


Too hard to mantain active low orbital platforms for millenia. The atmosphere friction would eventually drag them down; so you need the working engines for a very, very long time.

Maybe for first centuries after the war agains fallen, Archangels mantain some sort of low-orbit surveillance - just in case that some stubborn Fallen may decide to hide and wait until the Archangels would be no more - but they clearly could not suggest that some scheme may be prepared for eight centuries!

Given that OWL and Merlan can manufacture SNARCs, it is not out of the question to have the OBS doing the same thing. Which means that when one runs out of fuel/falls out of orbit, it is just replaced. The OBS would not need that many in orbit at anyone time, and it is certainly possible to set the orbits high enough that the life expectancy of the orbit is on the order of decades in not centuries.
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Re: Question about satelites
Post by n7axw   » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:49 pm

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We have to presume that there would be sensor coverage of the entire planet, but not necessarily snarcs.

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Re: Question about satelites
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:03 pm

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n7axw wrote:We have to presume that there would be sensor coverage of the entire planet, but not necessarily snarcs.

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The point I was attempting to make was that you can't assume that Merlin and the inner circle are the only ones with low level sensor capability, and that the OBS is restricted to what it can sense from its deep space locale.
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