Official HFQ Snippet #10

Tonto Silerheels wrote:runsforcelery wrote:

And best of all, Green Valley thought, no one on the other side has a clue of just how winter-mobile we are.

I can't wait to read Clyntahn's response to the results of Safehold's first northern winter major battle.

~Tonto

Soooo, all you logistics guys, just how many miles per day are these troops reasonably able to cover? How many days of winter were left when we last left them, and what concentrations of enemy troops or logistics depots could they reasonably reach?

Where would YOU send them?

Thanks, RFC--and three simple words...

Trick or Treat?

Have a wonderful trip!

NinaKatarina wrote:Soooo, all you logistics guys, just how many miles per day are these troops reasonably able to cover? How many days of winter were left when we last left them, and what concentrations of enemy troops or logistics depots could they reasonably reach?

Where would YOU send them?

The first stop is St. Zhans. Capture the Town before notice can be passed on. The ICA should be getting extremely close. Three 5 days of agressive travel on snow shoes should equate to ~300 miles when not carrying a pack and having hearty pack animals.

I wonder if there re any camps for heretics in the path of their travels. Capturing a town and forcing the citizen to go to the camps and witness (perhaps take the place of . . . or care for) those imprisoned would be an impressive lesson.

Night invasions of the Towns in their path and the semiphore stations would be sweet. Quietly creeping up on the locals and the Churches Army/Militias in a storm or in the middle of the night.

Thanks RFC, I have spent a lot of time in Artic and heavy winter environments and you have hit the equiping of the ICA for winter right on the head. I also am interested in how much ballistic protection will be given by the tightly woven steel thistle silk underwear and layering!

Tonto Silerheels wrote:runsforcelery wrote:

And best of all, Green Valley thought, no one on the other side has a clue of just how winter-mobile we are.

I can't wait to read Clyntahn's response to the results of Safehold's first northern winter major battle.

~Tonto

This one is easy.

Those heretics have souls baked in the fires of Hell. Does temporal weather discomfort them? Then their demon familiars allow the heat of Shan-wei's hells warm them.

That comes after the prerequisite frothing at the mouth and ritual breaking of household goods.

That's different. He's the Magnificent Wizard Weber! He decides who posts the Snippets and when!

pokermind wrote:Actually RFC is having too much fun posting his own, so neither one of you gets to read Hells Foundation Quiver early

Poker

This was one sweet snippet.

The church forces and allies are going to be in shock when the Charisian corps appears out of the winter weather. Hope the healers are ready for the increase in shock victims and heart attacks that are about to happen.

People are going to go ballastic when they discover the state of the winter warfare gear that the Charisian army has that they cannot match.

Good to see Green Valley not overdoing his tech advantage. Still letting his people do the job they are trained for and getting that info their way.

Can not wait to see what happens.

Can someone arrange another OOPSIE edition to be leaked again? Too Bad we have to wait till this time next year for the book to come out.

NinaKatarina wrote:Soooo, all you logistics guys, just how many miles per day are these troops reasonably able to cover? How many days of winter were left when we last left them, and what concentrations of enemy troops or logistics depots could they reasonably reach?

Where would YOU send them?

Once Green Valley gets to St. Zhans to Ohlahrn, it is only slightly farther to Ice Lizard lake than it is to Guarnak. Along the way the way the ICA provisions off of those enemy towns. Take what can be carried and hate to say it, but burn the remaining stockpiles beyond what the locals can carry away.

If GV races to Lake City through Hyrdmyn and Ice Lizard Lake, Wyrshym has to retreat or be caught at the far end of an overextended supply line come spring. If the ICA either lands more forces in Ranshair or simply retraces GV's route around Allyntyn, he gets flanked. At that point he either fights multiple fronts under provisioned or retreats anyway.

If Wyrshym retreats immediately, he loses a painfully significant amount of men during the journey. As in Napoleon retreating from Moscow significant. He needs to run through Five Forks and Sairmeet in order to get to Lake City. If Green Valley gets to Ohlahrn before Wyrshym finds out about the flanking maneuver, it would appear that both sides have similar distances to cover if not slightly less for Wyrshym. When he pulls back he has to leave a goodly chunk of men to crock Sylman's Gap. That rear guard is toast within 2 five days. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if whoever was in charge of the Gap for the allies attacked real soon in an attempt to distract Wyrshym.

The safest course for Green Valley is not to attack anyone, but to overwhelm what forces are at Lake City. Every town along the way might be taken using overwhelming force and tactical surprise if not always strategic surprise. That sort of deep strike is truly beyond the scope of the AoG to envision. At 15 miles per day, that 1,000 mile trip takes slightly more than 2 months. GV's 40,000-ish men have 2 sizable towns to use to provision. Wyrshym needs to bring way more than 40k men to threaten GV. Whatever he does bring will be nearly impossible to feed during a winter cross-continental march without starving what he leaves behind.

Frankjg wrote:This was one sweet snippet.

The church forces and allies are going to be in shock when the Charisian corps appears out of the winter weather. Hope the healers are ready for the increase in shock victims and heart attacks that are about to happen.

People are going to go ballastic when they discover the state of the winter warfare gear that the Charisian army has that they cannot match.

Good to see Green Valley not overdoing his tech advantage. Still letting his people do the job they are trained for and getting that info their way.

Can not wait to see what happens.

Can someone arrange another OOPSIE edition to be leaked again? Too Bad we have to wait till this time next year for the book to come out.

It is the proud boast of the US Military that "We own the night!" and here we see the ICA creating the boast of "We own the Cold!"

Another thing to think about is what happens to disrupted troops when they are forcibly displaced from winter quarters! There is almost no more fearsome foe that General Winter and he shows no mercy in these circumstances. Napoleon and Hitler both discovered how devastating winter maneuvers are for unprepared troops and even the ones who make it back to friendly lines will be of little help for a long time! Napoleon had 400k+ troops at the Polish border at mid-Summer of 1812 and the return 6 months later had 5 digit counts although those losses would include POWs and deserters.

Charybdis wrote:It is the proud boast of the US Military that "We own the night!" and here we see the ICA creating the boast of "We own the Cold!"

Another thing to think about is what happens to disrupted troops when they are forcibly displaced from winter quarters! There is almost no more fearsome foe that General Winter and he shows no mercy in these circumstances. Napoleon and Hitler both discovered how devastating winter maneuvers are for unprepared troops and even the ones who make it back to friendly lines will be of little help for a long time! Napoleon had 400k+ troops at the Polish border at mid-Summer of 1812 and the return 6 months later had 5 digit counts although those losses would include POWs and deserters.

So, it follows that attacking in these circumstances would almost require offering the defenders an obvious line of retreat. Hammer them quickly while allowing those defenders to retreat unprepared into the cold and letting the weather do the rest.

PeterZ wrote:
Once Green Valley gets to St. Zhans to Ohlahrn, it is only slightly farther to Ice Lizard lake than it is to Guarnak.

Why wouldn't you go straight to Guarnak? Doesn't that cut them off completely- given the weather? Not suggesting -just asking.