SPOILER! -Will the SSK release its Holy writ originals ?

Hi AClone,

Because I read Duckk's note about marking posts that discuss the HFQ's snippets?

L


[quote="AClone"]I am kinda curous. What's the point of posting "Spoiler", when you put the spoiler in the thread title?[/quote]

Lyonheart, I think the comment is that the rest of the title is, in itself, a spoiler, so putting 'spoiler' at the start doesn't fully protect those who don't wish to read them. Also it becomes redundant.

Guys, I think enthusiasm for the idea of publishing is running a good way ahead of the practicality and facts.

Firstly I don't think the SSK are in any way willing to give up their centuries long secrecy, which allows them to to practical good, in order to make a very chancy PR point. But without that the whole scheme falls down. Who is going to do this 'discovering' of the documents and sword wherever they are planted, then be able and willing to disseminate them?

More than that the Khody documents are unnecessary; if the EoC could get the Khody stuff accepted without the SSK, then they could do the same with all sorts of Black Propaganda whipped up by OWL and validated by fabbed artefacts. Langhorne's Journal, or Scheuler's Regrets anyone?

Besides which it's far from clear they have documentary evidence for all the stuff alleged. Khody died in Zion - big deal! - the idea he was murdered is pure supposition on our part (not that he wasn't, of course, but where's the evidence?) The only evidence surviving that the SSK's abbey was destroyed by Rakurai seems to be their internal reports which are unavailable and/or highly suspect.

Even if it were to begin to take off, the obvious defence is the painful one that, if Archangels can fall into serving the Dark, so can even the Church's stoutest mortal champions; as is seen by Khody writing part of his journal in a demon-inspired language. The Church of the day was obviously seeking to protect the faithful by writing him out of the public record. Taking into account how he ended up, he was no longer a suitable example for future generations. No, I don't think publishing would be a smart move at all.

lyonheart wrote:Hi AClone,

Because I read Duckk's note about marking posts that discuss the HFQ's snippets?

L

AClone wrote:I am kinda curous. What's the point of posting "Spoiler", when you put the spoiler in the thread title?

I think AClone is referring to the fact that the title of the thread in itself is a spoiler (ie. the part about the originals).

Randomiser wrote:
Even if it were to begin to take off, the obvious defence is the painful one that, if Archangels can fall into serving the Dark, so can even the Church's stoutest mortal champions; as is seen by Khody writing part of his journal in a demon-inspired language. The Church of the day was obviously seeking to protect the faithful by writing him out of the public record. Taking into account how he ended up, he was no longer a suitable example for future generations. No, I don't think publishing would be a smart move at all.

It's logical, but I would like to argue with some points.

I'm totally agree, that any insult against Archangels would be counterproductive at least. But - what if Charis present some sort of "edited" Khody writings were the main point would be against the mortal's corruption in the Church? It would be lie, of course; but all propaganda is evenutally a lie.

And IT may be productive and plausible. IF the main point would be "Seijin Kohdy fight against mortal corruption and were erased by corrupted clergy", it would actually make a lot of sense for Charisian situation. First of all, it make a historical precedent of Seijins, that work against Church. So the Merlin would be much more plausible from the simple safeholdian point of view. Second, it would be a good inspiration for all pro-Charisian forces.

And third, it would damage the Go4 position by historical precedent: many of Church supporters already knew that the clergy are corrupt, and fight on the Church's side only because they think that the open extrernal defiance to Church is worse than internal corruption. The appearance of historical precedent for the extrernal struggle against clergy corruption - by no other that the seijin! - may quite well allow them to reconsider their position.

Two thoughts.

Please remember that Khody is a "myth". Nobody but the Sisters know that he was a real person. Everybody else knows that he's a fictional character. Expecting people to take his diary seriously is like expecting people to take seriously the diary of Santa Claus.

Also even if somebody took it seriously, Khody lived when the remaining Archangels were still around and in charge of the Church. Thus Khody wasn't killed by corrupt churchmen, he was killed by the Archangels.

Dilandu wrote:

Randomiser wrote:
Even if it were to begin to take off, the obvious defence is the painful one that, if Archangels can fall into serving the Dark, so can even the Church's stoutest mortal champions; as is seen by Khody writing part of his journal in a demon-inspired language. The Church of the day was obviously seeking to protect the faithful by writing him out of the public record. Taking into account how he ended up, he was no longer a suitable example for future generations. No, I don't think publishing would be a smart move at all.

It's logical, but I would like to argue with some points.

I'm totally agree, that any insult against Archangels would be counterproductive at least. But - what if Charis present some sort of "edited" Khody writings were the main point would be against the mortal's corruption in the Church? It would be lie, of course; but all propaganda is evenutally a lie.

And IT may be productive and plausible. IF the main point would be "Seijin Kohdy fight against mortal corruption and were erased by corrupted clergy", it would actually make a lot of sense for Charisian situation. First of all, it make a historical precedent of Seijins, that work against Church. So the Merlin would be much more plausible from the simple safeholdian point of view. Second, it would be a good inspiration for all pro-Charisian forces.

And third, it would damage the Go4 position by historical precedent: many of Church supporters already knew that the clergy are corrupt, and fight on the Church's side only because they think that the open extrernal defiance to Church is worse than internal corruption. The appearance of historical precedent for the extrernal struggle against clergy corruption - by no other that the seijin! - may quite well allow them to reconsider their position.

Expecting people to take his diary seriously is like expecting people to take seriously the diary of Santa Claus.

WHAT?!?

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Well, let's remember three main rules of propaganda by Joseph Goebbels:

1) Lie more, they are surely believe to at least something

2) The most effective lie is a lie, based on truth

3) Even the significant defeat could be covered by even the insignificant victory

So... with a well-placed propaganda, even the diary of Santa-Claus would work. Especially if you were able to demonstrate at leas one naturally flying deer.

We have a family joke that goes "I believe in Santa Claus but Santa Claus doesn't believe in me".

I told it (years ago) to my niece and she sincerely told me that Santa Claus does believe in me.

Duckk wrote:

Expecting people to take his diary seriously is like expecting people to take seriously the diary of Santa Claus.

WHAT?!?

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Randomiser wrote:Guys, I think enthusiasm for the idea of publishing is running a good way ahead of the practicality and facts.
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I don't think publishing would be a smart move at all.

I agree with Randomiser on this.

Further, this reveal gets very close to the BIG reveal, which Charis won't do until the COGA is defeated, the Proscriptions are broken, the OBS is disabled, and the "sleeper" dealt with.

The war is going well, they have the technical edge, and the COGA (the Inquisition in particluar) has been providing more than enough fodder for propaganda. No need to muck around with Khody, secret diaries and magic swords at this point.