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Re: Anticipated length of Safehold series.
Post by McGuiness   » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:45 pm

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kbus888 wrote:=2014/02/27=

Hi McGuiness

In your post, you mentioned enjoying war with an intelligent species whose only purpose seems to be your complete destruction.

You might also like "Apocalypse Troll"

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Re: Anticipated length of Safehold series.
Post by kbus888   » Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:12 pm

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=2015/03/13=

Last November I was told I had from two to twelve months to live.

Since my treatments have (so far) been effective, I am hoping to be around in September and still able to purchase HFQ.

The rest of the series I'll simply need to read sometime after I cross the river Styx.

I'm looking forward to that too :D

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And no, I wouldn't DREAM of spoiling it for the rest of you guys by preempting RFC's fun by giving you any snippets ahead of time !! :twisted: :lol:

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runsforcelery wrote:The honest answer is that I don’t know for certain. I do know that the current game plan is to complete the present story arc (and, no, I’m not going to tell you how the current war with the Group of Four plays out in the end). Depending on what those pesky Harchongians in the Mighty Host of God and the Archangels do or do not do, and how well Brother Lynkyn’s newest brainchild and Lieutenant Zhwaigair’s spar torpedoes workout, things could wrap up in the book I’m working on right this minute. On the other hand, they might not. :twisted:

Ok, I'll bite, although after your careful... misdirections in the past, I'm not sure how much I dare believe any "hints" you're kind enough to give us! When you start being helpful, I've learned to realize you're being sneaky - or diverting our focus just enough so that when you toss in a PICA named Nimue after assuring us that making PICAs is impossible without destroying Merlin, and that you'd "never create a VP and call it Nimue, because having a character named Nimue would be too confusing to your readers," you aren't lying because OWL figured out how to make a PICA all by himself, and calling the new PICA Nimue and giving it her original personality isn't at all the same as having a character who's a VP based on the Merlin of three years ago! Even though there wouldn't be much difference at all in a conversation with that character over the com! (In other words, "Oops, they're getting too close for comfort!") :lol:
runsforcelery wrote:Eventually, however, the Group of Four will get its just desserts. At that point, there will be a hiatus (on Safehold) before the next book, which will deal with what happens when the truth is revealed while the prospective millennial return of the Archangels looms over everyone’s heads.

Golly, did RFC just inadvertently reveal that you can invade Zion, take over the Temple, hang or rather creatively execute some vicars who very richly deserve it, and not set off the Rakurai so badly that it destroys the EoC?

Also that there will be a wait of several years before the Archangels return, but the Truth will be proclaimed to everyone before the Archangels show up, however they manage it?

I'd imagine being told that the CoGA and the CoC are complete frauds could shake up even the EoC and Siddarmark with their Reformist teachings, since this goes beyond reformation, the CoC, and straight to apostasy, and I just don't see how Safehold (and even most citizens of the EoC) could accept it. I imagine most people will actually look forward to the return of the Archangels, and there might be some rather nasty wars to cleanse the world in preparation for their return.

If that's how it works out, let's hope the Hamilcar was hijacked by some Shan-Wei supporters who show up declaring that Langhorne was a fraud, because I don't see any other way that a reasonable amount of the population will accept the truth. Granted fewer and fewer will bend the knee to the CoGA (and those high tithes!) if it were potentially a fraud, but it's going to be a long and very violent transition, which Merlin expected all along. It's hard to progress into space even with the Rakurai removed if you've got a bunch of Luddites in your planetary population who believe it's their duty to God to kill everyone who doesn't believe the same way they do...

So I'm really looking forward to seeing how RFC breaks the chains of the CoGA and reveals it as a fraud in a way that the average Safeholdian in the street can accept. I don't see how people can accept the truth without a major demonstration - maybe Merlin will find a use for the assault shuttle and all those rounds of ammo... :roll:
runsforcelery wrote:Hopefully, I’ll last long enough to deal with that (I’m currently estimating perhaps 3 or 4 books for that second story arc) and actually get Our Heroes back into space to deal with the Gbaba once and for all. I would be astonished if there were less than 10 or 12 novels in the series, and I promise that (assuming I don’t drop dead in mid-book) I will conclude the series in as satisfying a fashion as possible. That is, I won’t leave the readers hanging wondering what the final outcome of the human-Gbaba conflict is/will be. I turn 62 this year, so at one a year and additional 3 to 4 novels will get me close to 65 (at least!), by which time I am assuming I will have to slow down at least a little bit. :roll:

I'm well over a decade younger than you, but I remember Robert Jordan's demise all too well, and I worry that I might not be around when the final book is released. So although we wait as fast as we can, and realize that you have a life outside of writing novels all day (and chuckling over our speculations regarding the plot of your upcoming novels) some of us won't be around to see the finish line. We dearly hope that one of those people isn't you! :shock:
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Re: Anticipated length of Safehold series.
Post by jlrice54   » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:08 pm

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runsforcelery wrote:The honest answer is that I don’t know for certain. I do know that the current game plan is to complete the present story arc (and, no, I’m not going to tell you how the current war with the Group of Four plays out in the end). Depending on what those pesky Harchongians in the Mighty Host of God and the Archangels do or do not do, and how well Brother Lynkyn’s newest brainchild and Lieutenant Zhwaigair’s spar torpedoes workout, things could wrap up in the book I’m working on right this minute. On the other hand, they might not. :twisted:

Eventually, however, the Group of Four will get its just desserts. At that point, there will be a hiatus (on Safehold) before the next book, which will deal with what happens when the truth is revealed while the prospective millennial return of the Archangels looms over everyone’s heads. Ideally, I’ll last long enough to deal with that (I’m currently estimating perhaps 3 or 4 books for that second story arc) and actually get Our Heroes back into space to deal with the Gbaba once and for all. I would be astonished if there were less than 10 or 12 novels in the series, and I promise that (assuming I don’t drop dead in mid-book) I will conclude the series in as satisfying a fashion as possible. That is, I won’t leave the readers hanging wondering what the final outcome of the human-Gbaba conflict is/will be. I turn 62 this year, so at one a year and additional 3 to 4 novels will get me close to 65 (at least!), by which time I am assuming I will have to slow down at least a little bit. :roll:


I'm 61 and hope that I make it until the story line is complete!
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Re: Anticipated length of Safehold series.
Post by Randomiser   » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:47 pm

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We have now seen about 31,000 words of the current novel. I don't get the feeling this book is going to be the last in the current war because I don't see how RFC can satisfyingly close it down in the rest of the book. So one more after HFQ for the present story arc?
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Re: Anticipated length of Safehold series.
Post by Michael Everett   » Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:01 pm

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Randomiser wrote:We have now seen about 31,000 words of the current novel. I don't get the feeling this book is going to be the last in the current war because I don't see how RFC can satisfyingly close it down in the rest of the book. So one more after HFQ for the present story arc?

Yeah, RFC did mention that he had planned for several arcs, each of a different generation and of one or two books each.
So, using the current Safehold saga as a basis for calculating and assuming three generations, that would be about 25 novels (+/- 3).

We're gonna be waiting a while for the rematch with the Gbaba!
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Re: Anticipated length of Safehold series.
Post by SWM   » Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:10 pm

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Michael Everett wrote:
Randomiser wrote:We have now seen about 31,000 words of the current novel. I don't get the feeling this book is going to be the last in the current war because I don't see how RFC can satisfyingly close it down in the rest of the book. So one more after HFQ for the present story arc?

Yeah, RFC did mention that he had planned for several arcs, each of a different generation and of one or two books each.
So, using the current Safehold saga as a basis for calculating and assuming three generations, that would be about 25 novels (+/- 3).

We're gonna be waiting a while for the rematch with the Gbaba!

The idea of a multi-generational storyline was dropped after the second or third book. David had only planned to have one or two books with King Cayleb! The next books would have been Merlin working with the next generation. There would have been several generations before the Big Reveal.

The RFC quote posted by jlrice54 is the current plan. The Big Reveal will occur around the end of this generation.
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Re: Anticipated length of Safehold series.
Post by n7axw   » Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:22 pm

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I don't think that you get a story line where the COGA recognizes the COC as not heretical.

The best we are going to manage on that front would be a very grudging concession that the COC has a right to exist in those lands it controls, more like at the time of the Reformation where the guidline for religion was "as goes the Prince, so goes the religion."

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Re: Anticipated length of Safehold series.
Post by jeremyr   » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:58 pm

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Randomiser wrote:We have now seen about 31,000 words of the current novel. I don't get the feeling this book is going to be the last in the current war because I don't see how RFC can satisfyingly close it down in the rest of the book. So one more after HFQ for the present story arc?


RFC said the book he is currently working on. He's already finished HFQ. So, I take it one or two more books.
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Re: Anticipated length of Safehold series.
Post by Randomiser   » Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:31 am

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jeremyr wrote:
Randomiser wrote:We have now seen about 31,000 words of the current novel. I don't get the feeling this book is going to be the last in the current war because I don't see how RFC can satisfyingly close it down in the rest of the book. So one more after HFQ for the present story arc?


RFC said the book he is currently working on. He's already finished HFQ. So, I take it one or two more books.


It seems RFC posted the material quoted on 23 Feb 2014 when, AFAIR he was still working on HFQ. So that is just one more book. Of course, his estimates have been known to be ... very elastic, shall we say, before now.
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