The (not so) welcome Archangels

TN4994 wrote:The slight scratch-like line under ACME, That's the disclaimer in fine print, isn't it?
(I was going to use findprint, but decided not to push my quota for the week.)

Nope, that's the "A Division of Roadrunner Industries" attribution.

For what it's worth, Marvin's equipment is from
ACE, not ACME -- and his generally works fine, as opposes to "Duck Dodger's" ACME equipment.

Hey, it worked in planet of the apes, right? We're going to be talking about a relative few personalities here, and Clinton's manpower advantage might prove sufficient. If one guy with a gun can take down 10 with clubs, what's he gonna do about 11 through 15, right?

Does it happen? Only The One knows, but I'd argue that it plausible, even if it's only an attempt that fails.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

Undercover Fat Kid wrote:That certainly is a thought. They've already got the precedent that arch angels aren't infallible. Clyntahn could definitely make the case that they were in error, and who could really stop him?

Except that if I am Archangel who has just come out of suspended animation, and want to take down Clyntahn, I am going to make sure I have superior firepower at hand. The easiest way might well be to call Clyntahn in to praise his handling of the crisis, whip out a 45 or the 23rd century equivalent (I hesitate to say blaster, because there is no textev for them, and even if they existed would Langhorne have allowed them to continue to exist), and shoot him n the head, and proclaim he was executed for offenses against God.

Undercover Fat Kid wrote:Hey, it worked in planet of the apes, right? We're going to be talking about a relative few personalities here, and Clinton's manpower advantage might prove sufficient. If one guy with a gun can take down 10 with clubs, what's he gonna do about 11 through 15, right?

Does it happen? Only The One knows, but I'd argue that it plausible, even if it's only an attempt that fails.

Undercover Fat Kid wrote:That certainly is a thought. They've already got the precedent that arch angels aren't infallible. Clyntahn could definitely make the case that they were in error, and who could really stop him?

fallsfromtrees wrote:Except that if I am Archangel who has just come out of suspended animation, and want to take down Clyntahn, I am going to make sure I have superior firepower at hand. The easiest way might well be to call Clyntahn in to praise his handling of the crisis, whip out a 45 or the 23rd century equivalent (I hesitate to say blaster, because there is no textev for them, and even if they existed would Langhorne have allowed them to continue to exist), and shoot him n the head, and proclaim he was executed for offenses against God.

That's why you take down Clyntahn in a private audience. When you announce it, there may well be guys 2-10 who want to come after you, but guys 11-30 are going to go after them, since they will believe that the Archangel is infallible, and besides, the Clyntahn is dead.

Undercover Fat Kid wrote:Hey, it worked in planet of the apes, right? We're going to be talking about a relative few personalities here, and Clinton's manpower advantage might prove sufficient. If one guy with a gun can take down 10 with clubs, what's he gonna do about 11 through 15, right?

That is why you have 2 hands

fallsfromtrees wrote:

Undercover Fat Kid wrote:That certainly is a thought. They've already got the precedent that arch angels aren't infallible. Clyntahn could definitely make the case that they were in error, and who could really stop him?

Except that if I am Archangel who has just come out of suspended animation, and want to take down Clyntahn, I am going to make sure I have superior firepower at hand. The easiest way might well be to call Clyntahn in to praise his handling of the crisis, whip out a 45 or the 23rd century equivalent (I hesitate to say blaster, because there is no textev for them, and even if they existed would Langhorne have allowed them to continue to exist), and shoot him n the head, and proclaim he was executed for offenses against God.

“Timothy had seen that rod used. Only once, but its lightning bolt had smitten the charging slash lizard to the earth in a single cataclysmic thunderclap of sound. Half the slash lizard’s body had been literally burned away, and Timothy’s ears had rung for hours afterwards.”

Excerpt From: David Weber. “Off Armageddon Reef.” iBooks. https://itun.es/us/o-Eax.l

Weird Harold wrote:

TN4994 wrote:The slight scratch-like line under ACME, That's the disclaimer in fine print, isn't it?
(I was going to use findprint, but decided not to push my quota for the week.)

Nope, that's the "A Division of Roadrunner Industries" attribution.

For what it's worth, Marvin's equipment is from
ACE, not ACME -- and his generally works fine, as opposes to "Duck Dodger's" ACME equipment.

I can only locate two drawings of Marvin's ray gun with lettering.
Both show ACME not ACE.
The rest just show the gun design.
ACE hardware (in Western US) sold a toy ray gun (sound effect) a long time ago. But you should point out that it's PU-36 in all but one cartoon. Mel Blank misread the line. Pew-36 or poo-36.

I have thought that it would be amusing to see an encounter between Schueler (ancestor of the Wylsynns) and Clyntahn. I don't think Clyntahn would enjoy the encounter.

As for the idea that the Safehold Church knows that Archangels can be fallible and might "argue" with the Archangels, while some like Clyntahn might "openly disagree", IMO the majority of the Safehold Clergy would believe that the Archangels came from God and God was not happy with them.

In addition, as has been mentioned, the text evidence in OAR is that Archangels have high-tech weapons so they'd be able to "make examples" of some of the clergy.

While Clyntahn isn't likely to accept their authority, I doubt that he'd have much support from the rank and file members of the Inquisition.

If he's lucky, the Archangels would just kill him.

niethil wrote:It occured to me yesterday that, assuming there really is some Archangels in the Temple freezers and they are reanimated, a certain group of people might not be overjoyed about being downgraded from Evil Overlords of Safehold to Angelic Errand Boys. Can you imagine Clynthan being ordered around and appreciating it ? I can't. I think he would do practically anything to stop something like this to happen.

What do you think ?

Here's a scene I'd love (even if it doesn't happen)

Clyntahn: "Who the Shan-wei are you?"

Schueler: "I am the Archangel Schueler. My loyal servant Samyl Wylsynn dines at my table. On the other hand, you shall share Shan-wei's punishment." Then Schueler shoots Clyntahn.

DrakBibliophile wrote:Here's a scene I'd love (even if it doesn't happen)

Clyntahn: "Who the Shan-wei are you?"

Schueler: "I am the Archangel Schueler. My loyal servant Samyl Wylsynn dines at my table. On the other hand, you shall share Shan-wei's punishment." Then Schueler shoots Clyntahn.

Or -
Schueler puts Clynthan to the Question: “What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?”

TN4994 wrote:I can only locate two drawings of Marvin's ray gun with lettering.
Both show ACME not ACE.
The rest just show the gun design.

Old Folk moment The supplier of Marvin's disintegrating pistol in "Duck Dodgers in the 24 1/2 century" is A-1, not ACE. "Martian Matomic" supplies the planet smasher. All of Duck Dodgers' stuff is by ACME (and for the most part works better than Wile E. Coyote's stuff.)

I didn't track down any of Marvin's encounters with Bugs, though.