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Re: Submarines
Post by Dilandu   » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:49 am

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6L6 wrote:
I was thinking further in the furture. PT boats are a big bang for the buck, and would start the development of turbines.


Well, for that reason we must firstly at least assume what types of ships would the Charisian opponents build after the current war.
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Re: Submarines
Post by Theemile   » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:37 pm

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6L6 wrote:
I was thinking further in the furture. PT boats are a big bang for the buck, and would start the development of turbines.


Forget Turbines - build diessels with air compressors for control and starting systems.
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Re: Submarines
Post by Dilandu   » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:45 pm

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Theemile wrote:
Forget Turbines - build diessels with air compressors for control and starting systems.


Diesels isn't good enought for navy. They still haven't been used on surface warships. Too mich vibration and too less power.
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Re: Submarines
Post by Joat42   » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:51 pm

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Dilandu wrote:
Theemile wrote:
Forget Turbines - build diessels with air compressors for control and starting systems.


Diesels isn't good enought for navy. They still haven't been used on surface warships. Too mich vibration and too less power.

Unless speed isn't a factor.. :)

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Re: Submarines
Post by Dilandu   » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:56 pm

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Joat42 wrote:Unless speed isn't a factor.. :)


Well, i can't recall any large surface warship, build with diesel since 1950th.
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Re: Submarines
Post by Theemile   » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:07 pm

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Dilandu wrote:
Theemile wrote:
Forget Turbines - build diessels with air compressors for control and starting systems.


Diesels isn't good enought for navy. They still haven't been used on surface warships. Too mich vibration and too less power.


For a fast attack boat? A diesel solution will be simplier and more compact than a turbine. For something much larger than 1000 tons you have a point though.
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Re: Submarines
Post by iranuke   » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:31 pm

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First things first. The submarine is what is used by the weaker sea power to try and even the odds. Charis IS the major sea power at this time. Charis does not need to work on subs, the Temple boys do. Diesel driven PT boats are also a force multiplier used by the weaker side, again something for the Temple boys, not Charis. Now, Torpedo Boat Destroyers to take on the small fry from Desnair, etc.
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Re: Submarines
Post by chrisd   » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:00 pm

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6L6 wrote:The Empire could begin construction of PT boats that resemble the HMS Turbinia. That along with torpedoes would be a nasty surprise for CoGA warships.

Please note that it is the SY Turbinia, Never "HMS"

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Re: Submarines
Post by 6L6   » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:53 pm

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Thanks for the correction Chrisd, the Google source I used called Tuubinia and her sister ships HMS, by the way it went on to say that they were used to develop Torpedo boat destroyers.
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Re: Submarines
Post by DJMacdonald   » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:28 am

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Dilandu wrote:
Well, i can't recall any large surface warship, build with diesel since 1950th.


US Navy Newport class Landing Ship, Tank (LST). Main propulsion: six (6) Allison 16 cylinder turbocharged diesel engines.

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