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At the Sound of Triumph...

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Re: At the Sound of Triumph...
Post by noblehunter   » Mon May 09, 2016 11:33 am

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chrisd wrote:
C. O. Thompson wrote:When you are a pessimist, all your surprises are pleasant.


Is your glass half-full, or half empty?

It doesn't matter. MY glass is refillable.


The project manager says you failed to manage stakeholder expectations.
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Re: At the Sound of Triumph...
Post by ksandgren   » Thu May 12, 2016 9:03 pm

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While this may be an unrealistic optimistic point of view, remember that when TOR slipped the release date it was only by a couple of weeks. If they didn't have a preliminary draft in hand, that slip would have been more like a full year - and probably wouldn't have been announced until they did have a copy in hand. I fully accept Duckk's reporting on the state of the honorverse novel. I agree it is unlikely that MWW has worked on or finished the Safehold novel while that was going on, but as was wishingly suggested elsewhere, it is possible that the draft of the next Safehold novel was submitted during the editing on the last one and is indeed in TOR's pocket. Having no forum word from rfc for the last seven months, we have only the limited input from the cons he has attended and Duckk's limited conversation with him to go by, but TOR may have reason to expect fulfilling the promises to book distributors. We can hope that TOR and Amazon have reason to expect a 2016 release.
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Re: At the Sound of Triumph...
Post by C. O. Thompson   » Fri May 13, 2016 10:06 am

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C. O. Thompson wrote:When you are a pessimist, all your surprises are pleasant.


Is your glass half-full, or half empty?



The project manager says you failed to manage stakeholder expectations.[/quote]

Unless the stakeholders are in the trenches they inevitability have unrealistic expectations.
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Re: At the Sound of Triumph...
Post by PeterZ   » Sat May 14, 2016 3:32 pm

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I can't help but think that once Harchong has its next batch of soldiers deployed, Zion is especially vulnerable. The city relies the passage to stock up for the winter. That isn't enough to keep the city fed. They need freight haulers to continue to bring in goods all winter long.

The ICN is about to send in the remaining 4 Rottweilers into the Gulf of Dohlar. Shortly afterwards the KH VIIs will arrive. They already have 1 ot 2 City class ships in the Eastern passage. I suspect that they will have enough schooners operating in the passage to curtail coasters shipping in supplies all summer. The military's transport requirements on the canals will use up any excess capacity Zion needs to offset the loss of shipping. The ICN activity in the Gulf of Dohlar will cut off those ports as sources for supplies headed in to canal network feeding Zion.

How the heck will Zion live through the next Winter even if the GHoGatA succeed in fending off the ICA? Food riots will be massive and there are not enough Inquisitors to suppress them. If they call in the Guard, Magwair has his tools to launch a putsch. If Clyntahn asks the newly formed units of the GHoGatA, Rayno has his tools to launch his putsch. In either case both of them need Duchairn kinder gentler image to smooth over the Church's insolvency and militarily disasterous predicament. Especially with the Zion citizenry facing starvation and very little left to lose.
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Re: At the Sound of Triumph...
Post by C. O. Thompson   » Sat May 14, 2016 7:55 pm

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PeterZ wrote:I can't help but think that once Harchong has its next batch of soldiers deployed, Zion is especially vulnerable. The city relies the passage to stock up for the winter. That isn't enough to keep the city fed. They need freight haulers to continue to bring in goods all winter long.

The ICN is about to send in the remaining 4 Rottweilers into the Gulf of Dohlar. Shortly afterwards the KH VIIs will arrive. They already have 1 ot 2 City class ships in the Eastern passage. I suspect that they will have enough schooners operating in the passage to curtail coasters shipping in supplies all summer. The military's transport requirements on the canals will use up any excess capacity Zion needs to offset the loss of shipping. The ICN activity in the Gulf of Dohlar will cut off those ports as sources for supplies headed in to canal network feeding Zion.

How the heck will Zion live through the next Winter even if the GHoGatA succeed in fending off the ICA? Food riots will be massive and there are not enough Inquisitors to suppress them. If they call in the Guard, Magwair has his tools to launch a putsch. If Clyntahn asks the newly formed units of the GHoGatA, Rayno has his tools to launch his putsch. In either case both of them need Duchairn kinder gentler image to smooth over the Church's insolvency and militarily disasterous predicament. Especially with the Zion citizenry facing starvation and very little left to lose.


Next batch?? Even the current leaders of the Mighty Host would turn the city inside out if they felt they were being fed into the sausage grinder simply to prop up the Inquisitors.

On their way back home, make a detour and kick down a few doors.
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Re: At the Sound of Triumph...
Post by phillies   » Sat May 14, 2016 9:41 pm

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C. O. Thompson wrote:
PeterZ wrote:I can't help but think that once Harchong has its next batch of soldiers deployed, Zion is especially vulnerable. The city relies the passage to stock up for the winter. That isn't enough to keep the city fed. They need freight haulers to continue to bring in goods all winter long.

The ICN is about to send in the remaining 4 Rottweilers into the Gulf of Dohlar. Shortly afterwards the KH VIIs will arrive. They already have 1 ot 2 City class ships in the Eastern passage. I suspect that they will have enough schooners operating in the passage to curtail coasters shipping in supplies all summer. The military's transport requirements on the canals will use up any excess capacity Zion needs to offset the loss of shipping. The ICN activity in the Gulf of Dohlar will cut off those ports as sources for supplies headed in to canal network feeding Zion.

How the heck will Zion live through the next Winter even if the GHoGatA succeed in fending off the ICA? Food riots will be massive and there are not enough Inquisitors to suppress them. If they call in the Guard, Magwair has his tools to launch a putsch. If Clyntahn asks the newly formed units of the GHoGatA, Rayno has his tools to launch his putsch. In either case both of them need Duchairn kinder gentler image to smooth over the Church's insolvency and militarily disasterous predicament. Especially with the Zion citizenry facing starvation and very little left to lose.


Next batch?? Even the current leaders of the Mighty Host would turn the city inside out if they felt they were being fed into the sausage grinder simply to prop up the Inquisitors.

On their way back home, make a detour and kick down a few doors.


One of the senior people put to the punishment of Schueler was the close relative of a Harchongese Duke or the like. There may be a grudge here.
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Re: At the Sound of Triumph...
Post by EdThomas   » Sun May 15, 2016 10:47 am

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phillies wrote:
One of the senior people put to the punishment of Schueler was the close relative of a Harchongese Duke or the like. There may be a grudge here.

One of the Wilson Circle?
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Re: At the Sound of Triumph...
Post by Robert_A_Woodward   » Mon May 16, 2016 1:04 pm

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EdThomas wrote:
phillies wrote:
One of the senior people put to the punishment of Schueler was the close relative of a Harchongese Duke or the like. There may be a grudge here.

One of the Wilson Circle?


Vicar Chiyan Hysin was the younger brother of a Harchongese Duke (and had been a member of the Circle since being an under-priest), see chapter IV for September 892 in _By Schism Rent Asunder_.
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Re: At the Sound of Triumph...
Post by DDHv   » Mon May 16, 2016 8:17 pm

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C. O. Thompson wrote:
C. O. Thompson wrote:When you are a pessimist, all your surprises are pleasant.


Is your glass half-full, or half empty?



The project manager says you failed to manage stakeholder expectations.


Unless the stakeholders are in the trenches thy inevitability have unrealistic expectations.[/quote]

Oh my, YES. But so do those in the trenches, they are just likely to be closer.

The expectations problem is one reason social situations oscillate - there is a long time between the action and its result being noticed, and in the mean time the system keeps getting further off base. Then the result is noticed. FWIR, several passenger ships have capsized because they tipped, and too many passengers ran to the other side
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