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Re: Next Safehold Book
Post by GlynnStewart   » Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:03 pm

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SWM wrote:
GlynnStewart wrote:Even for self-publishing, I don't think its as fast a turnaround as people think either!

From completing a novella (not novel - novels take even longer! One of mine has been in the process of 'publication' for three months now) to release is usually a month for me.
That's with a lot of editing while writing, being a writer who doesn't make very many proofread-level mistakes, and generally only two edit-revise cycles via alpha and beta readers.

I've been known to gripe about it, but the longer I'm involved in self-publishing, the more I get why a traditionally published book costs more and takes longer!

Thanks for the perspective, GlynnStewart. I don't have any real knowledge of what the reputable self-publishing outfits are like (as opposed to the bare-minimum vanity presses). Out of curiosity, are those alpha- and beta- readers supplied by the publishing company, or are they a reading community you have associated with?


I'm completely self-published through my own efforts (Kindle Direct Publishing, CreateSpace, etc) so I don't think I qualify as an outfit. :D

One of the advantages of the development of e-books and print-on-demand is that it is possible for an author to bring their own work to market.

One of the clear disadvantages is that it is almost too easy. Unless the author reaches out to find editors, cover artists and such on their own, its easy to have a functionally un-finished work. And there is nothing to stop the author putting that un-finished work out for sale.

Most of my alpha and beta readers are friends, acquaintances and fellow writers in my own network that I've built over the years.

(and, speaking as someone who went out and self-published... vanity presses scare me. Small press is one thing, but vanity press is something else entirely!)
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Re: Next Safehold Book
Post by cralkhi   » Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:53 pm

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SWM wrote:The single most important factor in how long it takes to publish is the publishing schedule. Publishers keep a schedule a year to two years in advance. That's mostly because they want the printing presses running constantly. The printing schedule is extremely tight.


So it's not really based on how quickly they can go through the process - it's delayed to fit a pre-decided date? That's a bit annoying.

The age of self-publishing is giving people a distorted view of what real publishing is like. Vanity presses will take your submitted electronic copy, shove it into a small printing press, and print out a few hundred copies in weeks. But they don't have to worry about editing, proofreading, cover art.


Oh, I'm well aware of the difference in complexity, but this just seems oddly long even so.
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Re: Next Safehold Book
Post by Charybdis   » Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:00 am

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SWM wrote:
cralkhi wrote:It is kind of baffling to me that it generally takes publishers this long once they get the book... didn't one of Brandon Sanderson's WOT books come out like 4 months (maybe less?) after manuscript submission? And those are even longer than the Safehold books.

Most people don't realize how much goes into publishing a book. It has to be edited, possibly by more than one person, edits have to be reviewed by the author, it often has to go through that editing/review cycle multiple times, it can require entire rewrites of sections, it has to be proofread, the same thing has to happen with the cover art, it has to be formatted, and it has to be printed and bound. The physical process of printing can take weeks or months by itself. Editors, proofreaders, and authors all have schedules to keep and many other things on their schedule. Each cycle of editing to author review and back to editor can take months, if schedules don't match.

The single most important factor in how long it takes to publish is the publishing schedule. Publishers keep a schedule a year to two years in advance. That's mostly because they want the printing presses running constantly. The printing schedule is extremely tight.

Even before the manuscript gets turned in, the publisher is looking ahead at the schedule for the editors, proofreaders, and printers. They estimate when the editors can fit it into their schedule, when it can be proofread, how long it will take to print, when it will fit into the printing schedule. They look at their anticipated publishing schedule. They want to release X number of books a month, so that determines how they allocate printing time. They often announce their publishing schedule a year in advance, for publicity purposes and give distributors and retailers time to place orders and do their own publicity. Woe betide the author or editor who doesn't make deadline.

The age of self-publishing is giving people a distorted view of what real publishing is like. Vanity presses will take your submitted electronic copy, shove it into a small printing press, and print out a few hundred copies in weeks. But they don't have to worry about editing, proofreading, cover art. Printing a few hundred low-quality copies is a far different project than printing ten thousand decent quality copies. And scheduling a print run of one day is far easier than juggling a dozen print runs of weeks or months each. And many self-publishing companies don't even do print runs--they print on-demand, printing one copy each time a copy is ordered.

Another thing to add is marketing. For our case, I think that it is probably moot as "David Weber" is a proven commodity and will sell at any time you can get a title on the shelves. HOWEVER it can also be a form of hindrance as well. Let us say that you have DW/RFC with a new title AND what you think is the next Harry Potter and you have a single opening for the Christmas season. Which would a conniving publisher push IF he could persuade RFC that it is to RFC's eventual advantage? Christmas book giving is BIG and the chance to establish a new author for that gift season is a golden goose!
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Re: Next Safehold Book
Post by USMA74   » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:46 am

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For myself, I would gladly give Tor my credit card information for both an unedited electronic version of HFQ now, and the revised hard cover version later (whenever that is). I would even agree to not make the electronic version available to anyone else to read. All this just so that I could get the next book in a series I started seven years ago coming back from Afghanistan in my greedy little hands a little (OK a lot) sooner.

What say we all? (Appologies to BSG fans everywhere.)
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Re: Next Safehold Book
Post by SWM   » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:15 pm

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cralkhi wrote:
SWM wrote:The single most important factor in how long it takes to publish is the publishing schedule. Publishers keep a schedule a year to two years in advance. That's mostly because they want the printing presses running constantly. The printing schedule is extremely tight.


So it's not really based on how quickly they can go through the process - it's delayed to fit a pre-decided date? That's a bit annoying.

Not quite what I meant. What I meant is that the schedule of the printing presses is partially determined by what order the publisher wants new titles to come out. Since the schedule for the presses is very tight, a publisher may not be able to schedule a book as early as he might want, because other books are filling up the schedule before it.

But I believe you are correct that the publisher makes a preliminary publication date early in the process. With their experience they probably do a reasonably good job of estimating how long the various stages will take, taking into account the amount of work needed for the other books in the queue and the schedule for the presses. At some point, the schedule is sent out to the retailers, and from that point on it is hard to move it.

No, it is not determined by how quickly it can go through the process. Any single book could be pushed through the process much faster than it does. But that would mean delaying other books, which messes up schedules so badly it could take a long time for things to settle. It is not determined by how quickly a book can go through the process--it is determined by scheduling all of the books the publisher is handling.
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