Siddermarkian and Safehold development

I agree Charis doesn't need to sell to other nations for the short to medium term. There are more than enough projects to invest in. Lyonheart has mentioned a few.

My point is that within 2 years, more likely less than 1 year, the war will be over. At that point there will be a massive need to rebuild and industrialize and very little money with which to accomplish it. This will be true for everyone but Charis. So, while Charis doesn't need to expand markets, those other nations will. This is especially true for Dohlar.

Silverlode will allow the House of Ahrmahk to be the primary lender and financier for the post war Safehold expansion. Along with that ability comes the responsibility to set trade policy. With time the scope of that policy making responsibility will expand beyond economics and trade into international politics.

jgnfld wrote:All these ideas make some sense to me (e.g., loans for the future, velocity, and infrastructure).

What I was/am getting at is that for the short term and probably medium term Charis, as the only really advanced power which also has all the raw resources it needs as well has little need for a sudden influx of an intl medium of exchange. In that specific situation the extra silver suddenly coming into their hands seems much less valuable.

Now if they needed iron, or some such, from someone willing to sell, that would be a different matter. But they do not. Neither is there any labor needed from other countries except perhaps a need for mercenaries/ships which they cannot buy as they are unobtainable given the jihad. I mean it's not like they are exactly buying Siddarmark's support in exchange for anything other than its sheer survival. In the short to medium term, that is.

PeterZ wrote:...

My point is that within 2 years, more likely less than 1 year, the war will be over...]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

No. You are wrong. RFC/MWW ALWAYS has the enemy find a second breath.

ALWAYS

jgnfld wrote:

PeterZ wrote:...

My point is that within 2 years, more likely less than 1 year, the war will be over...]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

No. You are wrong. RFC/MWW ALWAYS has the enemy find a second breath.

ALWAYS

Yes, he does. How about negotiating a cease fire that Charis cannot refuse? That would provide a second wind. Consider how far 20 some-odd years of cold war will take Brother Fultyn's operation. The hot war will end soon.

Hello PeterZ,

The irony of the CoC being richer than the CoGA isn't one of the aspects we've dwelt upon so far, but it is amusing to me that we may see Charis and Maikel demonstrate to whoever is left in the temple how one should use 'financial superiority' etc to overwhelm any opposition, prevent potential policy protests to the new world order coming out of Tellesberg, NTM any military rebellions.

Leaving Howard alone for now, Temple loyalists may still number 600+M after the war which will eliminate or reshape the Border States, Dohlar, Silkiah and the temple lands, permitting most of the reformists there to express their true faith and thereby reduce temple tithes etc.

Silverlode could mean that all tithes are spent locally throughout the CoC influenced area, which could have profound effects on how people view their tithes in terms of improving their own lives, rather than leaving it to some unknown church bureaucrat.

Fascinating potential permutations.

By the way RFC never promised he would end any of those previous wars or series the way he has this one of Safehold.

OTOH, given how detailed and wordy he is, it may be two LONG books if it isn't 3.

Yay!

L

PeterZ wrote:I agree Charis doesn't need to sell to other nations for the short to medium term. There are more than enough projects to invest in. Lyonheart has mentioned a few.

My point is that within 2 years, more likely less than 1 year, the war will be over. At that point there will be a massive need to rebuild and industrialize and very little money with which to accomplish it. This will be true for everyone but Charis. So, while Charis doesn't need to expand markets, those other nations will. This is especially true for Dohlar.

Silverlode will allow the House of Ahrmahk to be the primary lender and financier for the post war Safehold expansion. Along with that ability comes the responsibility to set trade policy. With time the scope of that policy making responsibility will expand beyond economics and trade into international politics.

jgnfld wrote:All these ideas make some sense to me (e.g., loans for the future, velocity, and infrastructure).

What I was/am getting at is that for the short term and probably medium term Charis, as the only really advanced power which also has all the raw resources it needs as well has little need for a sudden influx of an intl medium of exchange. In that specific situation the extra silver suddenly coming into their hands seems much less valuable.

Now if they needed iron, or some such, from someone willing to sell, that would be a different matter. But they do not. Neither is there any labor needed from other countries except perhaps a need for mercenaries/ships which they cannot buy as they are unobtainable given the jihad. I mean it's not like they are exactly buying Siddarmark's support in exchange for anything other than its sheer survival. In the short to medium term, that is.

jgnfld wrote:All these ideas make some sense to me (e.g., loans for the future, velocity, and infrastructure).

What I was/am getting at is that for the short term and probably medium term Charis, as the only really advanced power which also has all the raw resources it needs as well has little need for a sudden influx of an intl medium of exchange. In that specific situation the extra silver suddenly coming into their hands seems much less valuable.

Now if they needed iron, or some such, from someone willing to sell, that would be a different matter. But they do not. Neither is there any labor needed from other countries except perhaps a need for mercenaries/ships which they cannot buy as they are unobtainable given the jihad. I mean it's not like they are exactly buying Siddarmark's support in exchange for anything other than its sheer survival. In the short to medium term, that is.

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I totally disagree that the EoC have all the resources or labour they need. There is a constant struggle to keep up with the need for steel, and the weapons and ships made from it. They could do with a LOT more foundries, factories and powder mills in Sidddarmark for one thing, using local metal ores, coal and gunpowder ingredients, manned by Siddarmarkian workers, trained by Charisian experts. We see the start of it in LAMA. All that lovely silver will pay for that and help expand the alliance's industrial and military superiority. Once they start using the M96 in anger, they will want ammunition factories as near as possible.

Additionally all that expenditure on (re)creating a Siddarmakian industrial base will help with the post-war recovery there. If there are strategic blockages to development within the Empire, oh in Chisholm, say, the ability to buy out the blockers won't hurt the Crown's plans any either.

One thought on the Silverlode mines.

One of the biggest powers of historical parliaments was the power of the purse.

IE Kings couldn't raise taxes without the approval of their parliaments.

Cayleb basically owns Silverlode so the mines gives him (and his heirs) a source of income that the Imperial Parliament can't "shut off".

Can you imagine what a nasty King could do with a source of income that only he controls?

Hi Drak,

Excellent points as always, but I dealt with the importance of Merlin and the inner circle in keeping such a powerful monarch in check in my post on Thursday in this thread (next to last paragraph).

Between Nahrmahn, OWL, Merlin, and Nimue I have a hard time imagining any heir to Cayleb and Sharleyan ever thinking they could get away with being 'nasty'.

L

DrakBibliophile wrote:One thought on the Silverlode mines.

One of the biggest powers of historical parliaments was the power of the purse.

IE Kings couldn't raise taxes without the approval of their parliaments.

Cayleb basically owns Silverlode so the mines gives him (and his heirs) a source of income that the Imperial Parliament can't "shut off".

Can you imagine what a nasty King could do with a source of income that only he controls?

Randomiser wrote:

jgnfld wrote:All these ideas make some sense to me (e.g., loans for the future, velocity, and infrastructure).

What I was/am getting at is that for the short term and probably medium term Charis, as the only really advanced power which also has all the raw resources it needs as well has little need for a sudden influx of an intl medium of exchange. In that specific situation the extra silver suddenly coming into their hands seems much less valuable.

Now if they needed iron, or some such, from someone willing to sell, that would be a different matter. But they do not. Neither is there any labor needed from other countries except perhaps a need for mercenaries/ships which they cannot buy as they are unobtainable given the jihad. I mean it's not like they are exactly buying Siddarmark's support in exchange for anything other than its sheer survival. In the short to medium term, that is.

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I totally disagree that the EoC have all the resources or labour they need. There is a constant struggle to keep up with the need for steel, and the weapons and ships made from it. They could do with a LOT more foundries, factories and powder mills in Sidddarmark for one thing, using local metal ores, coal and gunpowder ingredients, manned by Siddarmarkian workers, trained by Charisian experts. We see the start of it in LAMA. All that lovely silver will pay for that and help expand the alliance's industrial and military superiority. Once they start using the M96 in anger, they will want ammunition factories as near as possible.

Additionally all that expenditure on (re)creating a Siddarmakian industrial base will help with the post-war recovery there. If there are strategic blockages to development within the Empire, oh in Chisholm, say, the ability to buy out the blockers won't hurt the Crown's plans any either.

I think that the original point here is that the EoC has the raw resources it need to support itself internally. You are right to point out that it's human and industrial resources need to be enlarged. However, the empire as a whole has just began to scratch the surface of developing Chisholm, Emerald and Tarot. And soon Corisinde will start making an impact. Even Charis, thoudgh further along than the others still has resources, both human and raw to develop. Even without Siddamark, Empire has lots of room to develop and expand.

Don