Spoiler Kaitswyrth "reinforcements"

PeterZ wrote:I think you might want to reread February 897 chapter 1, Lyonheart. The IHA started with 471,000soldiers, horse and foot, before the schism and expanded to over 1,300,000 in 4 months time. That's the total IHA. Later in the chapter we discover the GHoGatA is sending the numbers I cited. 550,000 muzzle loaders, 90,000 St. Kylmahns and 460,000 assorted arbalests and bows. That 1.1 million is the GHoGatA being sent to Siddermark.

I am not sure where the 1.5 million number came from.
**quote="lyonheart"**Hello PeterZ,

Actually the GHoGatA also has 60,000 infantry with nothing but slings, for 1.16 million infantry.

Plus, while I assume they left 40% of the regular cavalry home they did bring 60% or 195,000; NTM about the same number (or maybe 200K) of the feudal cavalry regiments (I expect some Harchong lords would have insisted on coming, and others wouldn't want the new regular army to get all the glory etc) for something around 1,555,000 men, which is near Duchairn's estimate of something close to two million, based on the rations they're devouring; which given how well Harchong serfs ate before being drafted could explain how three are eating nearly four rations.

Due to their required exposure to operate and relative short range, the pole slinger's are dangerously at risk of course, because while some might think they could possibly extend the range of hand grenades, the ICA hand grenade is more like German 'potato masher' with a long handle for better leverage throwing; there is no textev as yet for any modifications to permit grenades to be used by the slingers.

Again the almost 300,000 ICA combat troops (not counting Hanth and other marine units) means nearly 225,000 have rifles according to the TO&E, those muzzle loaders being exchanged for Mahndrayns at SC, for a total of ~450,000 before adding captured rifles and SR production.

Thanks to the latter two sources the RSA may have ~300,000 rifles of all makes, and the allied total might approach 550,000 including the various marines.

L

PeterZ wrote:Well, lyonheart, I just wanted to correct a mistaken assumption you make here.

The GHoGatA have 1,100,000 soldiers. Of those soldiers 550,000 are armed with muzzle loading flintlocks, 90,000 are armed with St. Kylmahn breech loaders and 460,000 have no firearms at all. The allies have 300,000 mahndrayns, 80,000++ flintlocks and will have ~150,000 M96s by summer in Siddermark/Dohlar.

Except for the 90,000 St. Kylmahns, most of these rifles can only be effective against the ICA if deployed behind fixed defenses. That doesn't argue well for the GHoGatA projecting force anywhere.

Referrence YoG 897 February Chapter I, the last 2-3 pages of the chapter.

lyonheart wrote:Hi PeterZ,

While the figure of expanding to 1.3 million in less than 4 month's is correct, it doesn't mean that was the final size of the MHoGatA.

You're still leaving out the IHA cavalry.

You know, "the heart of the IHA"; remember all those jokes about why the Harchong lords love their horses referenced in LaMA?

Which I figure would be another 395-400,000 on top of the 1,160,000 infantry when I specified both above again.

We have the textev early and late in MTaT that the IHA contingent was at laest 1.5 M, besides RFC's various posts here on the IHA using the same figure, while Duchairn tells Magwair (in chapter 2 of August, LaMA) that it may be closer to two than 1.5 million from the way they eat; therefore the balance is probably their vaunted (in their eyes) cavalry.

Given the ~325,000 regular army cavalry (including ~235,000 horse archers), and the feudal cavalry 'regiments' being actually being in the 80-100% range of matching the whole regular army of 471,000 combining for a potential total cavalry of 702-796,000 cavalry,

So figuring around half at most were sent, we get 351-398,000 on top of the 1,160,000 infantry for a range of 1,511,000 - 1,558,000 men, not counting "almost half of the military police" [the ~77,000 Emperor's Spear's] for another 30-38,000 men plus whatever field artillery the AoG provides, along with all the NCO's, officers and other support personnel.

Besides keeping 40-50% of the regular army cavalry in country for obvious reasons, given the long costly effort creating the imperial heavy infantry, I strongly doubt all (NTM the rest of the the regular army corps in similar proportions) were sent with the MHoGatA; the bureaucrats aren't that stupid.

Please feel free to provide any different set of figures for an even larger force.

L

tootall wrote:Is no one taking into consideration- how worn out ICA and allied forces are going to be after marching around all winter? And I'd guess all their equiptment will be in need of repair. Refit -reorganize, intigrate replacements?

I'd be suprised if they march-fight thru this past summer, this coming winter, and then can campaign the entire next summer as well. HAS to be some down time.

Henry Brown wrote:

tootall wrote:Is no one taking into consideration- how worn out ICA and allied forces are going to be after marching around all winter? And I'd guess all their equiptment will be in need of repair. Refit -reorganize, intigrate replacements?

I'd be suprised if they march-fight thru this past summer, this coming winter, and then can campaign the entire next summer as well. HAS to be some down time.

I agree there has to be some rest for the men and draft animals. I don't think it is going to be as much as you seem to think. In many ways, I think Safehold armies will require LESS downtime after a period of campaigning than a modern mechanized army. There is a lot of maintenance and logistical work that goes into keeping the tanks, APCs, trucks ect... of a modern army going.