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by Fyrwulf » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:03 pm | |
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No insult intended towards David, but he chose the wrong company to take on this project. Any company that starts off by saying, "How it's done in the books is great, but it'll never work in visual medium" doesn't have the talent or creativity to take on such an epic story. I'm creatively retarded, but I'm a computer geek and I know Evergreen was angling for the Hollywood equivalent of a forum shitpost.
1) We know that wedges indicate direction of travel. Well, modern game engines have the ability to create visual distortions using shaders. EA implemented heat distortions in Battlefield 4 with its Frostbite engine. Why then are gravity distortions, red-shifting, and blue-shifting impossible? They're not, of course. 2) On the comic side, there's software (now available for free to everybody) that allows for animation without having to draw every frame. Or, hell, just implement separate cell-shaded skins for the models (another shader effect) to be used in the movies and use selected freeze frames from an animated sequence to fill out the comic book. 3) Rather than a movie or comic book, why not approach AMC, SyFy, or HBO to do a series? Every chapter an episode, for as long as it will draw the ratings necessary to continue production. Certainly that's better than these failures that never get off the ground. ===
Short of Evergreen explaining themselves directly to us on these boards, I no longer have any faith that they're committed to making a movie and related products that have any relevance to the Honorverse. |
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by Greentea » Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:23 am | |
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Well, Evergreen went out of business, so it is now moot. We shall see if someone else approaches it better.
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by Fyrwulf » Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:31 pm | |
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I know they did, otherwise they'd still be working on this. ===
Short of Evergreen explaining themselves directly to us on these boards, I no longer have any faith that they're committed to making a movie and related products that have any relevance to the Honorverse. |
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by Phalanx » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:49 pm | |
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First, I am going to repost something from waaay back in 2010 that still is sound advice for whoever picks up the series now:
Also a note for content tie ins: 1) Art Consistency across the brand Star Wars does this. Battletech has begun to implement it. Don't let some Marketing "guru" tell you that people are too stupid to tell the different ships apart. As long as the ships are painted different colors, people will get it. The same goes for all artistic content. HMS Fearless should look the same on my tv screen as it does in the existing artwork. It is possible for the reasons Fyrwolf explained. 2)Narrative Consistency across all products. Easiest to do with Comics and Games, hardest with a TV Series. Solution here is to give BuNine final approval on narrative content, rather than waiting on HIMSELF specifically.This is to not say that Weber should not be involved, but rather to have a role to resolve any questions that BuNine does not have answers to because it involves unresolved plot elements or unknown narrative elements of the Honorverse. As I stated back in 2010, if an element must be ignored then simply have it cut. Also avoid "combining" characters. For example, if Rafe Cardones needs to be cut, then simply have an extra BE in that slot, but give them no(or fewer) lines. So lorehounds KNOW that its Rafe there, but he's just secondary to the story. Or you could cut minor narrative threads. Let's say you turn Honor Among Enemies into an episode(s), but you cut out the Aubrey Wanderman subplot. Instead you release it as a separate comic.It actually works as a separate "lower decks" story that could be fleshed out with Wanderman's backstory without subtracting from the main narrative(A panel with the reaction of the one who said "Oh God, Harrington, we're all going to die!" would be worth the price of purchase in my opinion). 3) The Babylon 5 Model(with a twist) Babylon 5 was a science fiction series which lasted for five seasons and had multiple movies which acted as "signposts" in the narrative beginning with the pilot The Gathering. I think the original plan to do a movie based on Honor of the Queen makes the most sense. However, you would have to agree on getting ALOT of people to come back if it if it is a success(Not just the Honor actress, but whoever plays Benjamin, Theisman,etc.). So still do HOTQ as a Pilot-movie, then continue into a series. You then save money on the short run by having each episode of season 1 be an anthology of stories that do world building for the next signpost Short Victorious War. Season 2 is the First Manticoran War, with Honor's capture being a mid-season finale event, and the signpost being Ashes of Victory. Season 3 is the Second Manticoran War, with the earliest hints of the MAlginment, with the Signpost movie being AT ALL COSTS. Season 4 introduces the Talbott Cluster, Torch, Maya, and the MAlignment, with another signpost movie. Season 5 is the Manticoran-Solarian War with the final signpost movie being <TBA HONOR FINALE BOOK>. 4)Keep the [b]Tales of Honor brandname for Tie-In Products.[/b] The Tales of Honor brand name should be kept going forward as it works to build the product. Most importantly: MERCHANDISING! _
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by Dauntless » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:16 am | |
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interesting and what seem to be very workable ideas
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by Erls » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:18 pm | |
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The Babylon 5 model (or Marvel model if you wish), is exactly what this universe is built for - imo. I, personally, would just change up the sequencing a little bit..
First - you have to sign the core cast to looong term deals. Now, those could be spread out over a long period of time e.g. - 5 movies, 8 seasons of TV, 13 years. To sweeten the pot, of course, you'd need to offer steadily escalating salaries (and perhaps profit sharing) based upon the success of the franchise. If it turns into an Avernger's type blockbuster run the actors are going to be deserving a ton of money for helping create it. Now, how would I see this happening? I would envision it as every year either a 16-20 episode season (split in half over Christmas-Super Bowl) OR a movie. Years with movies do not have a TV show (except for spin-offs - if successful), while years with TV series do not have movies. Mythical schedule Year 1 - HOTQ Movie. Maybe you try and grab a well known, older actor to play Courvisier just to generate some marketing buzz and have 'a name', but you start fresh. Decide which characters are going to be the central ones throughout the series, both on TV and in Movies (because they can and will be different). Try to introduce as many as you can, even if you cut their roles to a large degree. Just get them on screen and introduced so audiences will recognize them in the TV show. Year 2 - Season 1. Prelude and OBS. Maybe go back as far as King Roger's assassination (would make a really good opening scene). Show Honor meeting and bonding with Nimitz. Show the Peeps rapidly expanding and taking Basilisk, and a young Theisman getting in serious trouble as a middy until an older Yu takes him under his wing. If done like Game of Thrones, where the show jumps from character to character and tells each individual story as they build towards a bringing together it could be extremely interesting - AND reduce the time each actor needs to spend on set. This will be important in later seasons. First half ends with the Casimir raid and maybe, for example, Pritchett conducting her first real Aprilist attack. Second half is all about OBS, with the Peeps role greatly lessened except for Yu and Theisman conducting a daring raid on some pirate base or something and being rewarded with the Masada assignment. Year 3 - Season 2. Tells Short Victorious War and Field of Dishonor, ending with Honor killing Young and flying to Grayson, while Theisman is approached by Thurston with a 'brilliant plan to knock Grayson out of the war.' Year 4 - Movie 2. Flag of Honor. For some reason the murder of Hanks/sword duel/space battle just screams out to me as a fantastic final 30 minutes of a film. Lets the fans see other sides of Honor. Year 5 - Seasons 3 .. Honor Among Enemies, In Enemy Hands, Echoes of Honor. I know its a lot, but all three could be fit into a 16-20 episode season (45 minute lengths, of course) with the story very well told. Heck, you could even split it into a Fall, Winter, and Spring run with 6 episodes in each arch if desired. Year 6 - Movie 3. Ashes of Victory. I know this is less Honor in combat, but by now the fans will have had a ton of time getting to know other characters and - if done right - will really care about people like Theisman, Pritchett, and Giscard as well as White Haven and Yu. And, to be real - the movie ending with High Ridge sneering in the Queen's face would make a fantastic cut point. Year 7 - Season 4. In inter-war years. Introduction to knew characters. Plenty of action with the Republic re-taking control, as well as Torch/Erewhon/and that one religious planet. Ends with Honor being sent to Sidemore and Benjamin sneakily sending her Yu. Year 8 - Season 5. Start of the war. First episode can be all about the buildup, with Haven launching on their attacks at the very end of the first episode. First part of the season is all about the early parts of the war, with cutworm 1 and 2 shown. As well as seeing the Quadrant start to grow restive and violence break out. Second part starts with Honor getting her butt blown off in Solon, continues on with the Quadrant and Rat Poison, and ends with Giscard dying at Lovat. Year 9 - Movie 4. You guessed it. The Battle of Manticore baby. Year 10 - Season 6. Aftermath of Battle of Manticore, the emergence of the GA, and Lacoon I. This also would include White Pines and Mesa starting to become prominent, as well as Sollies. Season builds towards the 2nd battle (turkey shoot) of Manticore and the ends with the Mandarins realizing how outclassed they are. Year 11 - Season 7. Cauldron of Ghosts, next Honorverse book, shows more Maya Sector and breakaways. *NOTE* By this time the TV serious would be less than 40% on-screen time for the 'original cast', and more time would be spent with the newer (and lower ranked) characters. Instead of long meetings discussing things it could be written in a way where a lot of what is discussed is shown in action, and then the reactions/broad outline for the next stage discussed. This keeps the - by then - prominent cast happy by lessening their TV workload (letting them do other projects) while keeping things fresh. Year 12 - Movie 5. The culmination. Depending upon how intricate the ending is - and how many 'flash points' there are, you could see an "Infinity Wars" deal where its split into two separate blockbusters. Well, there it is. 12-14 years of Honor between TV and Movies, with a large (unknown) cast signed on for the duration with steadily increasing salaries/profit sharing and decreasing workloads (so they are still happy to do the final stuff). 5-6 movies, and 7 or so seasons of TV. The ideal partner, to be honest, would probably be HBO just because you could toss in the odd graphic sex scene or extreme violence without running afoul of the FEC. Partner with a major studio for the movies, and you're in business! Beau 9 (operating under David) has final say on the big-picture stuff (major characters, the look of the universe, how characters are portrayed, etc). |
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