US Presidential Candidates

Relax wrote:

gcomeau wrote:First, yep, read them.

Second, you admit she had detailed policy positions. So debate over, one candidate addressed policy contrary to your claim neither of them did.

You not *liking* those policies doesn't make them not exist.

Uh, you stop right there...
No they are not detailed policy positions. Why?
Hocus pocus is not a policy.

And facts and figures are not "Hocus Pocus".

If you can point me at where those policies say "and then we will recite the magic words...." as opposed to "and then we will apply this tax rate to these types of financial activities" then I'm all ears.

On top of the fact that the PRESIDENT has zero, zilch, da nada to do with domestic POLICY.

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Yippee, he can veto a bill. Otherwise, nothing.

Let me rephrase what you just said for you.

The president can't influence domestic policy
Yippee he CAN influence Domestic policy.
But other than that way he can, he can't.


Exercising veto power over any domestic policy agenda he opposes IS INFLUENCING DOMESTIC POLICY. Even if we ignore all the other ways a president can act to influence the direction Congress takes... sometimes successfully sometimes not depending on what he wants and how Congress is behaving but it can still be done since the office of the President has just a little more leverage to exert than the man on the freaking street if the President really wants something to happen.

Do YOU know how your government works? Because reading your rants here...

2 worst candidates in my lifetime.

There we are agreed.

PeterZ wrote:here

Seems like Australia is as hypocritical as the US after all. Hate speech protection only goes one way.

Paywall.

Was it the recent QUT case, or the bullshit one from I think it was Bolta, well someone who wants to delete 18C (the hate speach laws)

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To be fair Daryl, a former Australian PM once said:
“No one, however smart, however well-educated, however experienced … is the suppository of all wisdom”.



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Hope this works. Story is about kids chanting all sorts of hateful things about President Elect Trump.

Annachie wrote:

PeterZ wrote:here

Seems like Australia is as hypocritical as the US after all. Hate speech protection only goes one way.

Paywall.

Was it the recent QUT case, or the bullshit one from I think it was Bolta, well someone who wants to delete 18C (the hate speach laws)

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Of course you can be held responsible for another's actions, if your actions maliciously triggered their response. Ask the female mayor in the US who had to resign after insulting Michelle Obama recently.
I love these keyboard warriors who use insulting phrases like snowflake from the safety of anonymity. I'm no snowflake having martial arts quals; worked as a night club bouncer, professional hunter, one star equiv in military; and played football at a highish level. The reason for this testosterone spray is that I need to get through to you that bullying people to self harm is not a sign of toughness but cowardice. I'm bullet proof but not all are, and we need to show some compassion.

Relax wrote:

Daryl wrote:Totally wrong, and immaturely insulting in the way it was phrased.
Ask any front line welfare worker and they will tell you tale after tale of people self harming, taking up drugs, and all such things up to and often including suicide, because of verbal and on line abuse.

You cannot be held responsible for someone ELSE's moronic actions.

Grow up precious snowflake. The world is not "fair". Telling children that the world is supposed to be fair and if they personally do not see it as fair, then they get to call the cops, does not help them any. Just helps them hide from reality. Grow up precious snowflake.

You do not oppress everyone for a select few snowflakes. That is fascism.

PeterZ wrote:Seems like Australia is as hypocritical as the US after all. Hate speech protection only goes one way.

You did see the part where those were 5 and 6 year olds right? How many of ANY laws do you think result in charges against 5 and 6 year olds in any country... exactly?

Daryl wrote:Of course you can be held responsible for another's actions, if your actions maliciously triggered their response. Ask the female mayor in the US who had to resign after insulting Michelle Obama recently.
I love these keyboard warriors who use insulting phrases like snowflake from the safety of anonymity. I'm no snowflake having martial arts quals; worked as a night club bouncer, professional hunt

Muscle mass is now mental toughness?


Did you really just type that...

Who led those clueless 5 and 6 year olds, pray tell? If no one led them, then who taught them to hate at home, hmmmmm? Aussie liberals are as hypocritical as the ones here. Those that preach tolerance but are first call Trump supporters deplorable and beat them up in the NY subway.

Those adults are the target of my comments. Teaching kids to hate is just awful.

gcomeau wrote:

PeterZ wrote:Seems like Australia is as hypocritical as the US after all. Hate speech protection only goes one way.

You did see the part where those were 5 and 6 year olds right? How many of ANY laws do you think result in charges against 5 and 6 year olds in any country... exactly?

Oh and Daryl, there hasn't been a president or first lady who when campaigning for others; lampooned and cartooned as an ape, monkey, chimpanzee, donkey, elephant in hats, pants, high heels etc.

Wake up, it is part of political life. It is not racism except to fools with uber overly sensitized skin who are only looking for excuses in order to make trouble for others.

"An ape in high heels". While poor taste is not racism any more than lefties calling George Bush's wife a church mouse. If you are overly sensitive, there are more than enough proclamations you can insinuate into someone eles's comments regarding an ape or a mouse.

The only hate here, are the losers, trying to label others as racist, bigots, homophobes, xenophobes, etc.

I do admit that I overreacted to being called a precious snowflake. Not personally used to that, as anyone who knows me knows it is wildly inappropriate. Not so much due to muscle mass (over 60 now and going to fat) but to my demeanour and history. I mainly wanted to emphasise that caring for others is not the exclusive domain of bleeding heart hand wringers, who are weak themselves in your view.
The mention of the MO incident was to show that even in the US there are limits to acceptable behaviour. In Australia our culture is not homogeneous, but overall there would have been outrage from all quarters if a similar comment was made. Actually the comments by both presidential contenders during the campaign would have met with condemnation here.
Where we won't reach agreement is your belief that those who reject nasty personal attacks on the vulnerable are losers themselves. Certainly from our view point a comment about a lady with negro ancestry, calling her an ape in high heels would be seen as ignorant racism, and worthy of legal prosecution. Earlier this year an Australian footballer of Aboriginal extraction was called an ape by a female spectator, and all hell broke loose. She will never again attend a sporting venue in this country. Just incidentally our Aboriginal fellow citizens are no closer related to those of African descent than anyone else, just dark skinned from 40,000+ years of evolution in a hot sunny continent.

Relax wrote:Oh and Daryl, there hasn't been a president or first lady who when campaigning for others; lampooned and cartooned as an ape, monkey, chimpanzee, donkey, elephant in hats, pants, high heels etc.

Wake up, it is part of political life. It is not racism except to fools with uber overly sensitized skin who are only looking for excuses in order to make trouble for others.

"An ape in high heels". While poor taste is not racism any more than lefties calling George Bush's wife a church mouse. If you are overly sensitive, there are more than enough proclamations you can insinuate into someone eles's comments regarding an ape or a mouse.

The only hate here, are the losers, trying to label others as racist, bigots, homophobes, xenophobes, etc.