Iconic Bookstore Burned Down In Riots

This video explains a fairly feasible way to have a major impact on reducing issues with police violence that could be done right away https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M71z6K7IkjU.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:Just for the record, I was the expert consultant who provided the information that motivated the Portland police bureau to roll over on the shooting of Mr Monroe by Seargent Reister. I am extremely cognizant of how many police departments equip their officers with shotguns loaded with less lethal beanbag rounds without having the slightest clue as to how and why they are less lethal and the circumstances under which they can be employed with minimal risk of killing or maiming the suspect.

Just for fun, consider this story by Larry Niven:

http://news.larryniven.net/biblio/display.asp?key=267

I'll try to find the unedited version of the video of the Rodney King beating.

I'll unfortunately be somewhat inflammatory but can't work out how to say this in a non provocative way.
From your posts Imaginos1892, you do seem to see everything in a left/right prism. Even our old friend fly has an open mind here.
I personally tend to the left in many things, but people are complex, not simply following a rigid left/right pattern. If someone breaks into my house they better hope that the dog gets them first. If someone attacks my country I do hope that my efforts while working in our Defence Department will help in stopping them.
I don't hate Trump, but do despise him, as all the attributes he displays are the antithesis of every thing my mother taught me while I was growing up. Little things like narcissism, bullying, stupidity, rudeness, lack of compassion, hypocrisy, and more.
Up to now I have accepted the fact that we all see things differently, but enough.
For a man to emerge from his bunker, then waddle out surrounded by flunkeys to cross the road to a church, which he had never visited, which had just been violently dispossessed of its rightful owners, then hold up an upside down religious text for a photo opportunity, is beyond farce.
I personally am not a Christian, but do accept many of their life guidances as being kind and sensible, so let's look at the ten commandments.
Number 5. Thou shall not kill. How many thousands of people have died due to his poor performance in the Covid crisis due to his priority being to "look good" rather than people's lives?
Number 6. Though shall not commit adultery. He cheated on his first wife with his second, then cheated on his second with his third, then cheated on his third with porn stars.
Number 7. Thou shall not steal. How many people lost their life savings in his multiple bankruptcies, and shonky practices?
Number 8. Thous shall not bear false witness. Basically don't lie. The count of verifiable public lies was over 15 thousand last time I checked.
Number 9. Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife. Perhaps just grab them by the pussy then?
Number 10. Thou shall not covet thy neighbour's goods. How many people has Trump ruined in one sided business deals?

Moving on to the new testament. Sayings like "Love thy neighbour", "Turn the other cheek", "Greater love have no man than etc (bone spurs)"?

Imaginos1892 wrote:

Donnachaidh wrote:Your reaction that that is "but they're liberal cities"?

Because the subtext in complaints such as yours is always, ALWAYS "We must end these abuses by giving absolute power to the Democrats and the Left!" despite overwhelming evidence that they are the problem, not a solution.

Because we must first accurately identify the problem before attempting to solve it.

Because giving the Left that absolute power they crave will guarantee many more and worse abuses.
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My grandpa voted Republican until the day he died — but he’s been voting Democrat ever since.

Absolute power? I don't know of anyone wanting that...unless it would be Donald Trump who has said that being President for life would be a wonderful idea. We on the left would settle for winning the next election and getting a president who honors the law and is a decent human being.. No talk from our side about presidents for life. Is there on yours???

Don

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n7axw wrote:

Imaginos1892 wrote:Because the subtext in complaints such as yours is always, ALWAYS "We must end these abuses by giving absolute power to the Democrats and the Left!" despite overwhelming evidence that they are the problem, not a solution.

Because we must first accurately identify the problem before attempting to solve it.

Because giving the Left that absolute power they crave will guarantee many more and worse abuses.

Absolute power? I don't know of anyone wanting that...unless it would be Donald Trump who has said that being President for life would be a wonderful idea. We on the left would settle for winning the next election and getting a president who honors the law and is a decent human being.. No talk from our side about presidents for life. Is there on yours???

You have to understand that on a large segment of the right their reaction to any elected government they didn't personally vote for doing anything they don't like is to scream dictatorship. As far as people like Imaginos are concerned Obama trying to get more people health insurance was a grave offense against the constitution and an attempt to enslave America under Communism forever.

So any argument to put Trump out of power and someone liberal in power is "giving absolute power to the Democrats!!!!"

Anyone actually paying attention Will know the left wing position is to abolish the police. That's hardly giving absolute power to Democrats.

noblehunter wrote:Anyone actually paying attention Will know the left wing position is to abolish the police. That's hardly giving absolute power to Democrats.

Ummm... not abolish. More like drastically reform/replace and demilitarize.

gcomeau wrote:Ummm... not abolish. More like drastically reform/replace and demilitarize.

Reform/replace is the centrist position.

noblehunter wrote:Anyone actually paying attention Will know the left wing position is to abolish the police. That's hardly giving absolute power to Democrats.

I don't think anyone no matter how far left would really want to abolish the police. Reform, yes. Get rid of the racial overtones in policing, yes. Abolish would be an anarchist position, not a leftist one. I am a good Lutheran boy with all the sense of order that implies to want to abolish the police.

Don

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Sorry noblehunter, but I can't imagine that anyone outside of anarchists would want the police to be dissolved. There will always be a minority of people who have to be stopped from antisocial acts.
Police do need to be ethical and professional. From a distance the US does seem to make the job of police difficult with centuries of institutional racism and an easy availability of guns.

And here we have the information that has been withheld from the public:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/ ... yds-death/

The fact that the police had already gotten Floyd into the police car then removed him is an astounding revelation to me. Kneeling on his neck was obviously an idiotic restraint technique. However; given the additional information I am inclined to believe that the officer was attempting to prevent the suspect from injuring themself while they waited for an ambulance which was already enroute.