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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by The E   » Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:08 am

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More than half the population of the US supported impeachment, you genius.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by Dilandu   » Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:30 am

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The E wrote:More than half the population of the US supported impeachment, you genius.


Sigh. The absolute majority is a 2/3-3/4 of population. Not 52% vs 48%.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by The E   » Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:10 am

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Dilandu wrote:
The E wrote:More than half the population of the US supported impeachment, you genius.


Sigh. The absolute majority is a 2/3-3/4 of population. Not 52% vs 48%.


75% of the population were in favour of the Senate hearing witnesses and examining evidence, and yet, that didn't happen, because the GOP is full of cowards who are afraid that breaking with Trump would put a premature end to their current position of power.

As long as Mitch McConnell holds control over the Senate, there was no chance of an impeachment vote succeeding, no matter how supported by evidence the charges are.

This wasn't the democrats messing up the timing. This was the GOP proudly proclaiming that they think that the President is above the law.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by Dilandu   » Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:33 am

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The E wrote:
75% of the population were in favour of the Senate hearing witnesses and examining evidence, and yet, that didn't happen, because the GOP is full of cowards who are afraid that breaking with Trump would put a premature end to their current position of power.


There is a difference between 75% of the population wanting to follow procedure, and 75% wanting president out. The impeachment, as I mentioned before, is NOT about justice; it is about damage control. If impeachment would be about justice, then all former presidents of USA still alive would be in prison for their numerous crimes.

This is, that Founding Fathers perfectly understood, that they live in imperfect world. And that it is utterly impossible to run a nation with strict adherense to the letter or even spirit of law. So, they were more worried about having a procedure to remove president whose actions are disliked by an absolute majority of the population, rather than a procedure to establish did he actually break the law or no.

As long as Mitch McConnell holds control over the Senate, there was no chance of an impeachment vote succeeding, no matter how supported by evidence the charges are.


Essentially yes.

This wasn't the democrats messing up the timing. This was the GOP proudly proclaiming that they think that the President is above the law.


Problem is, it is not about the law. It's about efficiency. 48% of Americans considered Trump efficient enough to stay.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by Annachie   » Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:04 am

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Dilandu wrote:
The E wrote:More than half the population of the US supported impeachment, you genius.


Sigh. The absolute majority is a 2/3-3/4 of population. Not 52% vs 48%.


No.


In a two option poll an absolute majority is 50.01%

In a three, or more, it's where one option outpolls the other options combined.

Very few people were undecided on this topic.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by smr   » Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:25 am

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DilanduI think this was the best summary of the the Impeachment with spot on analysis.

Dilandu wrote:Well, impeachment predictably failed. A lesson to all Democrats: never spend your most powerful weapon immediately. Always wait for the right moment.

P.S. The thing that need to be understood - impeachment is NOT a procedure for some "justice". It is essentially a damage control, a method to remove president if the absolute majority of population are dissatisfied with his actions.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by The E   » Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:32 am

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Heard it here first, folks: According to known legal scholar and man of moral integrity smr, crimes should only be crimes if a majority of the population does not like the criminal.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by Michael Everett   » Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:46 am

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The E wrote:Heard it here first, folks: According to known legal scholar and man of moral integrity smr, crimes should only be crimes if a majority of the population does not like the criminal.

Well done, E. You just summarized 90% of human history.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by The E   » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:12 am

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Michael Everett wrote:Well done, E. You just summarized 90% of human history.


I don't know about you, but unlike our american friends I do still live in a country where "rule of law" is a thing.
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Re: Impeachment now certain
Post by n7axw   » Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:09 am

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Dilandu wrote:Well, impeachment predictably failed. A lesson to all Democrats: never spend your most powerful weapon immediately. Always wait for the right moment.

P.S. The thing that need to be understood - impeachment is NOT a procedure for some "justice". It is essentially a damage control, a method to remove president if the absolute majority of population are dissatisfied with his actions.


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