US Presidential Candidates

biochem wrote:The Washington Democrats have their fair share of blame for the Trump mess.

I'll assign some peripheral blame to the Democrats for not doing enough to prevent the situation to arise but the Trump candidacy is a creation of the GOP's unending drumbeat of fear and zenophobia and faux patriotism come home to roost. Now they have someone who has jumped in and is able to harness that ignorant hysteria they whipped up even better than they are and they can't get him under control.

The Democrats created the Sanders candidacy with their failings... which is a *very* different thing from the Trump campaign.

Actually because he puts the rust belt into play Trump may not be the weakest Republican candidate electoral voting wise, especially since the Democratic party seems bound and determined to select Clinton. It would not surprise me at all if he lost the popular vote but won the electoral college.

Ok, say rather than "weakest" he is "most likely to take a hammer to the GOP as a viable national party with his antics".



(I'm just going to be over here shaking my head at the 'better than Clinton' comment... and I am very much *not* a fan of Clinton)

I'd argue that the hold your nose crowd would do better to vote Clinton over Trump.
At least you know what you'll be getting and a Trump presidency scares the whole world.

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Annachie wrote:I'd argue that the hold your nose crowd would do better to vote Clinton over Trump.
At least you know what you'll be getting and a Trump presidency scares the whole world.

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The at least you know what you'll be getting is why the red states won't be voting for Trump, they'll be voting against Clinton!

It's relatively difficult for a candidate of either party to persuade a solidly red/blue state to change direction and vote for him/her instead. Trump is doing that in the Democratic rust belt states, but the Democrats abandoned those states so it's their own fault.

Hilary would have to convince traditional conservative voters to vote for her over Trump. And this is what the Republicans think of her.



She would have to either change their minds (good luck, her persuasion skills are some of the worst I have ever seen in a professional politician) or convince them that Trump is even worse than a lying criminal (possible, the smear attacks will use surrogates to keep the candidate clean and the Democrats have a number of highly skilled attack dogs/mud throwers).

Some of the other word clouds are rather interesting as well.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/07/liar- ... andidates/

biochem wrote:

Annachie wrote:I'd argue that the hold your nose crowd would do better to vote Clinton over Trump.
At least you know what you'll be getting and a Trump presidency scares the whole world.

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The at least you know what you'll be getting is why the red states won't be voting for Trump, they'll be voting against Clinton!

It's relatively difficult for a candidate of either party to persuade a solidly red/blue state to change direction and vote for him/her instead. Trump is doing that in the Democratic rust belt states, but the Democrats abandoned those states so it's their own fault.

Hilary would have to convince traditional conservative voters to vote for her over Trump. And this is what the Republicans think of her.

She would have to either change their minds (good luck, her persuasion skills are some of the worst I have ever seen in a professional politician) or convince them that Trump is even worse than a lying criminal (possible, the smear attacks will use surrogates to keep the candidate clean and the Democrats have a number of highly skilled attack dogs/mud throwers).

Some of the other word clouds are rather interesting as well.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/07/liar- ... andidates/

I'll be the last person to argue Hillary Clinton is a beacon of honesty and trustworthiness (which is not to be confused with me giving the tiniest bit of credence to the plethora of absurd conspiracy theories Republicans love to generate about her)

However, to cite that as a reason to hold your nose and vote for Trump is like declaring that you don't want to buy a house in neighborhood A because looking at reports of the average air quality index throughout the year it's noticeably below average a lot of the time... and then choosing to move into Neighborhood B instead... the local landfill.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities ... y-clinton/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

gcomeau wrote:
http://www.politifact.com/personalities ... y-clinton/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Like many "fact" checking sites. Politfact is operated by the left leaning media (Tampa Bay Times) in this case and is considered to be highly biased in favor of Democrats. General problems include cherry picking, nitpicking and stating opinions as fact. I don't think Trump is a beacon of honesty (far from it) but I do think they are exaggerating the extent of it.

biochem wrote:

gcomeau wrote:
http://www.politifact.com/personalities ... y-clinton/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Like many "fact" checking sites. Politfact is operated by the left leaning media (Tampa Bay Times) in this case and is considered to be highly biased in favor of Democrats. General problems include cherry picking, nitpicking and stating opinions as fact. I don't think Trump is a beacon of honesty (far from it) but I do think they are exaggerating the extent of it.

Quibbles can be made about the full extent of Trump's dishonesty but not to the relative scale of it. He's the gold standard for bald faced liars in this race. He lies when there's no reason to lie. He appears to lie as a recreational sport... or just out of sheer reflex.

Oliver had quite a bit of fun with him on that score:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nryaLYrFeQc

(And as far as "left leaning media"... individual journalists may be left leaning in their personal politics but the media corporations are anything but.)

gcomeau wrote:Quibbles can be made about the full extent of Trump's dishonesty but not to the relative scale of it. He's the gold standard for bald faced liars in this race. He lies when there's no reason to lie. He appears to lie as a recreational sport... or just out of sheer reflex.

Gee, sounds like both of the Clintons!
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Why do so many idiots believe that the way to solve our problems is to keep voting for the same shitheads that caused them?

Imaginos1892 wrote:Gee, sounds like both of the Clintons!

Again... not the biggest fan of the Clintons, but when it comes to serial lying Trump is not in his own league, he's on his own planet.

gcomeau wrote:I sometimes despair that US politics will ever sort itself out into something sane. This country is desperately in need of viable third, fourth and fifth parties.

Hear, hear!


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Unfortunately, preventing that is the only thing the two "major parties" agree on.

Sadly.


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Ok, say rather than "weakest" he is "most likely to take a hammer to the GOP as a viable national party with his antics".

Huh... Suddenly i feel a strong urge to cheer Trump on!

Again... not the biggest fan of the Clintons, but when it comes to serial lying Trump is not in his own league, he's on his own planet.

Nah, more like he´s out of this world...

And while i´m no fan of the Clinton´s either, the slander campaign against them would be hilarious in its stupidity and absurdity, if it wasn´t for the fact that it´s supposed to be serious rather than the idiotic parody it really is.

GWB lied a damned lot more than either Clinton´s have ever got close to, yet did he get slandered the same way? Hah, not even a tiny fraction of his lies, ranging from silly, via selfserving to outright stupid has been made into the kind of choir that constantly rants about the evil Clintons.

It´s just ridiculous.


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by the left leaning media

Yeah, the media that is like 85% owned and ran by rightwingers. With Murdoch outspokenly trying to affect politics to the right.

Bernie Sanders just called Donald Trump a pathological liar.

Maybe Trump is qualified to be president after all!
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