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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by isaac_newton   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:00 pm

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cthia wrote:
TFLYTSNBN wrote:https://www.redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2020/03/12/the-chinese-knew-what-they-were-doing-in-spreading-the-wuhan-virus/

I always thought it was an engineered virus. I still do. And I think a lot of the research came out of the last Ebola crisis.

If my suspicions are wrong, thank God for small/large/huge/astronomical?, favors.


wait - WHAT!!

[I'm not going to look at that site directly - don't want to get some malware]

Are you saying that it says that the Chinese engineered COVID 19, and then released it on their own people????!!!!
:shock: :shock: :shock:

TIN HAT ALERT!

hmmmmm...on the other hand, there have always been rumours that HIV was developed in some US govt lab - more of that advanced US Pharma I guess.


Seriously guys - I think that each is as likely as the other, i.e. about as likely as me being a national lottery winner [taking in account the miner fact that I've never bought a ticket!!].
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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by isaac_newton   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:12 pm

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Going back to the treatment of 'illegal immigrants' with COVID19

Something that you should consider is that fact that if some are arrested/deported on arrival in hospital for testing/treatment, then all the other undocumented immigrants will avoid testing/treatment like the plague [pun intended] and will become a reservoir of illness throughout your nation.

Same for those in the gig and wider economy who cannot afford testing or the time off work.

Don't any of you remember the days of the initial response to HIV/AIDS? It was only gotten under control when it was treated as a simple health issue, rather then as a sign of moral depravity.
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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:26 pm

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I know that most of you foreigners will claim that you have your heads shoved to far up your asses to click the link, but this article is extremely informative. President Trump was prescient in forcing companies to repatriate manufacturing back to the US. The US is better prepared to deal with the Cononavirus as a result. President Trump was taking steps to deal with the pandemic during the impeachment proceedings. All of the pontificating about US healthcare aside, the infection rate in the US is about an order of magnitude lower than most of Europe.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... t-trump-3/

One inevitable consequence of the Coronavirus virus pandemic is that the Exodus of manufacturing from China will accellerate. China's economy will implode. China will cease to be an economic and military rival to the US.
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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by cthia   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:07 pm

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@ Isaac, I posted the text from the site. I, personally, feel the virus is engineered and I hope my batting average falls on this one.

It's also possible they engineered the virus and it got loose accidentally. Albeit, that's all a possibility of my own crazy theories. I certainly hope they're crazy. They're pointing the finger at us, we're pointing the finger at them. I'm saying that between the two parties, lies the truth. IMHO.



The Chinese Knew What They Were Doing in Spreading the Wuhan Virus

Posted at 12:30 pm on March 12, 2020 by Stu Cvrk

Just as the Soviets were incapable of admitting errors of any kind during the 1920s and 1930s, so are their progeny, the Communist Chinese, unable to come clean on the Wuhan virus. The Chinese knew about the virus in November 2019 yet did nothing to stop its spread and indeed did not inform the world of the problem until forced to by the world community as the virus spread to other countries.


The virus originated in Wuhan province. Whether it was engineered or a mutation of an existing virus remains unknown, but surely it is not coincidental that the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is where China’s only level four biosafety laboratory is located, and which studies some of the world’s deadliest viruses, is located just 20 miles from the center of the original outbreak, according to some sources.

China is a closed society, and the ChiComs tightly control information, particularly anything that may be damaging or embarrassing to the regime. They have also invested millions of dollars in Western media over the past two decades in order to influence and suppress negative information about Communist China. It is relatively easy to spot the pro-Chinese media who are trying to shift the blame to the US for the virus.

Laura Ingraham (Fox News) interviewed Steve Mosher, author of Bully of Asia: Why China’s Dream is the New Threat to World Order, and Victor Davis Hanson, Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, on Tuesday night about this very topic. Here is what they said:


Ingraham: Although the coronavirus started in Wuhan province, China, according to China you can’t call it the Wuhan virus because “that’s racist.” The Left is more obsessed with fact-checking Trump than addressing the lies of the Chinese here. What gives? And is this China’s dividend from sprinkling so much money around the United States and holding these lavish conferences for journalists over the years, etc., etc.

Mosher: First of all, this is the Wuhan virus. I prefer to call it the Chinese coronavirus, and actually the full title is the Chinese Communist Party’s coronavirus because let’s follow the bread crumbs. Back in November, there were the first cases of the coronavirus in the city of Wuhan. By December, the National Health Commission of the government of China had sent a commission down to investigate this new strain of pneumonia. They knew they had problems. On January 1st, they closed down all the military bases in and around Wuhan. They didn’t tell the people of China; they didn’t tell the world, but they closed down the military bases … the police force was protected, the military was protected from the virus. Then several million Chinese left the center of the epidemic, went throughout China, throughout the world, spreading the virus everywhere. Only after the horse had left the barn did they close the barn door. So everybody who is a victim of the coronavirus … everybody who dies as a result of the coronavirus is a victim of the Chinese Communist Party. One more thing as an American that really gets my goat … and this is that the Chinese Communist Party is now whispering that the cause … the original source of the coronavirus was the United States of America. [Supposedly,] we sent it over with the military athletes who participated in the military games from October 17th through 20th in Wuhan. That’s the story that they’re currently spreading.

Ingraham: This is par for the course, is it not? In almost every dealing we’ve had with the CCP.

VDH: It is. And remember that they knew about this virus in December and January, and they allowed 15,000 and more of their own citizens to fly on direct flights to the United States. So we have 60 days of a million people coming in from China, many of whom were probably exposed to the virus until Trump leveled the travel ban. It’s pretty miraculous given what China did that we’ve only had one out of 10 million Americans die, and one out of every 500,000 be infected. It really shows you that this virus is a very strange virus. As a historian, you know we’re going to have tests, and more cases are going to show, but I think a lot of it is going to show that people are still shedding the virus that got over it, and we’re in a more static than a dynamic situation, and the situation is six weeks after the travel ban … if you look at the origins of this whole problem, it’s China. China let people come into this country knowing that they might be exposing Americans and didn’t care.

Ingraham: Now we’re seeing all these articles pop up in Bloomberg and other media outlets saying, “Well, look at the number of infected people every day is lower and lower because of China’s great handling of this virus. So now they created it, and we’re supposed to laud their handling of it. Are you kidding me?

Mosher: The Chinese Communist Party is celebrating its success at quarantining 150 million people, killing many of them and infecting many more with an ineffective approach to containing the virus. And now they’re claiming credit for it. But they always turn truth on its head. They are one-trick ponies.

End of the Q&A. A suspicious soul might wonder whether the Chinese blithely spread the virus around the world, cynically calculating that the deaths of a few million Chinese would be a small price to pay if the virus could lead to severe consequences for the US and President Trump.


Will the Chinese ever come clean? President Trump offered US technical and health service expertise to the Chinese early on in the crisis, but the Chinese refused. That is of a piece with their penchant for not admitting problems and unwillingness to accept outside assistance, which would likely expose a worse situation in Wuhan province and elsewhere than the ChiComs have conveyed up to this point.


It is not surprising at all that two of the hotspots for the virus around the world are Iran and Italy. Iran and China have been involved in oil trade in violation of sanctions continuously over the past year. It’s no wonder that Iran has a large number of cases. Italy, for its part, has been the European hub for China’s Maritime Silk Road strategy associated with it’s One Belt One Road initiative. The number of infected Chinese transiting to and from Italy over the past several months is unknown but certainly large.


China needs to openly divulge everything then know about the virus in order for lives around the world to be saved.


The end.


Stu Cvrk served 30 years in the US Navy in a variety of active and reserve capacities, with considerable operational experience in the Middle East and the Western Pacific. An oceanographer and systems analyst through education and experience, Stu is a graduate of the US Naval Academy where he received a classical liberal education which serves as the key foundation for his political commentary. He threads daily on Twitter on a wide range of political, military, foreign policy, government, economics, and world affairs topics.

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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by cthia   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:22 pm

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isaac_newton wrote:Going back to the treatment of 'illegal immigrants' with COVID19

Something that you should consider is that fact that if some are arrested/deported on arrival in hospital for testing/treatment, then all the other undocumented immigrants will avoid testing/treatment like the plague [pun intended] and will become a reservoir of illness throughout your nation.

Same for those in the gig and wider economy who cannot afford testing or the time off work.

Don't any of you remember the days of the initial response to HIV/AIDS? It was only gotten under control when it was treated as a simple health issue, rather then as a sign of moral depravity.

Yet another facet of chaos caused by illegal aliens in this country.

And, let's get something straight. They are "illegal" first. "Undocumented" second. It is illegal for companies to knowingly hire illegals. If they do, there are repercussions across the board that I spoke of in previous posts.

Why can't they go through the system the right way, so innocent hard working Americans and companies don't get screwed in holes they didn't even know existed. Is it too much to ask?

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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by Dilandu   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:26 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:
One inevitable consequence of the Coronavirus virus pandemic is that the Exodus of manufacturing from China will accellerate. China's economy will implode. China will cease to be an economic and military rival to the US.


While you are glimmering in wishful thinking, you missed the major point. China have the vision of the future now. The only part of the puzzle they lacked to actually start the struggle for world's dominance - they could not exactly explain to others how they viewed the China-dominated world.

Well, not anymore. The pandemic forged the China vision: the pragmatic, controlled world, where powerful centralized state could in a shortest notice concentrate immense resource on solving the problem. And they demonstrated, that their vision of the future is actually viable.

Now others would start to follow China, trying to create their own perfectly controlled state machines. Of course, few would succeed. But they would follow, because China demonstrated, how much they could achieve by central control.

The major problem is, that USA did not actually have much to counter. To put it simply - no one believe anymore in "liberty" and "people's rights" in US meaning. Your last presidents, from Bush to Obama, wasted your ideology. No one in right mind now would view USA claims of doing something "for the democracy" as anything more than totally hypocritical lie.

So, unless you would develop some new ideology quickly - and you would need something REALLY new, not just pulling back to 80s or 50s - your sphere of influence would start to crumble fast.
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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by n7axw   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:54 pm

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I hope nobody here is offended... or maybe I don't care if you are.

But...

I think all of you have gone bat shit crazy... :o

Don

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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by cthia   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:48 pm

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n7axw wrote:I hope nobody here is offended... or maybe I don't care if you are.

But...

I think all of you have gone bat shit crazy... :o

Don

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Bat shit? Bats? Oh my. Aren't bats one of the possible original vectors of this virus? Is "bat shit crazy" a symptom? Can you catch it off the internet?

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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by isaac_newton   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:31 pm

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n7axw wrote:I hope nobody here is offended... or maybe I don't care if you are.

But...

I think all of you have gone bat shit crazy... :o

Don

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Hi Don

Haha - now if you had said Brexit crazy - then maybe.

Seriously, I do hope that you did not think that I was claiming that HIV aids was the product of US labs.
That is bat shit crazy.

No - I was just using that as an illustration of a rumour mill at work!!
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Re: Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?
Post by Annachie   » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:40 pm

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The thing is, the covid-19 could be man made.

There are labs all over the world studying viruses like that trying to stay ahead of the mutations for immunization purposes.

There are labs weaponizing them, sorry learning to defend against someone else weaponizing them.

There's supposedly a lab that could fit one of those two descriptions near Wuhan.

So yes, it could be a man made virus that escaped. It doesn't really change anything though.


The Australian minister for what is effectively Homeland Security was in the USA last week. Returned back to Australia and didn't bother to self-quarantine. He's now in hospital with it, after meeting with the entire head of the Australian federal government, and the heads of the public service etc.
The guy in charge of quarantining people didn't quarantine himself and it's 50/50 as to the government getting sick.

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