Duckk said take Mrs Clinton\not in jail here.

[quote="Tenshinai" 4th, i hope you realise that the time it took almost certainly had very little to do with technical abilities and very much to do with politics.[/quote]

Most emphatically, which was my point. At this date it is moot. Clinton lost and [hopefully] has permanently retired from politics. And Trump has declared that he no longer wishes to Send Hillary to Jail.

I sincerely hope nobody on this forum actuallyexpected her to actually go to jail.

Before the election I wanted prosecution for both email and the Clinton foundation pay for play concern.

But post-election I think she has been punished enough. She lost what she most wanted in this world (the presidency) AND she lost her reputation. There will be no getting that back. Ask Richard Nixon. No matter what she does for the rest of her life she will be despised as "crooked Hilary". Her future political influence is zero. Few people will donate to the Clinton Foundation now that it has been exposed. (Pay for Play Schemes work best out of the sunshine). Her fair weather friends will soon desert her.

WeirdlyWired wrote:Most emphatically, which was my point. At this date it is moot. Clinton lost and [hopefully] has permanently retired from politics. And Trump has declared that he no longer wishes to Send Hillary to Jail.

I sincerely hope nobody on this forum actuallyexpected her to actually go to jail.

Maybe not on this forum, but given the popularity of the "Lock Her Up" chant at his rallies, a lot of his supporters do expect it. His reversal on this is an early sign of his willingness to tell anyone what they wanted to hear to get elected, with no plan to actually follow through. He is going to treat his supporters like he's treated his subcontractors, and I predict that he will go down in history as the Great Dissapointer.

biochem wrote:Before the election I wanted prosecution for both email and the Clinton foundation pay for play concern.

But post-election I think she has been punished enough. She lost what she most wanted in this world (the presidency) AND she lost her reputation. There will be no getting that back. Ask Richard Nixon. No matter what she does for the rest of her life she will be despised as "crooked Hilary". Her future political influence is zero. Few people will donate to the Clinton Foundation now that it has been exposed. (Pay for Play Schemes work best out of the sunshine). Her fair weather friends will soon desert her.

Charges weren't ever really an option, given the quality of the "evidence" - unless there's something which hasn't been made public any prosecuter taking the case would be laughed out of court. But then, prosecution was never the point. And I really doubt the Republicans actually wanted a trial, this suited them a whole lot better. After all,

A Civil Campaign wrote:A charge can be disproved. A charge can be defended against. A charge proved false can draw legal retaliation. There won't be a charge."

Ivan was less sure. The mere hint of the idea had surely put the wind up Miles.

"But a wink," By went on, "a whisper, a snicker, a joke, a deliciously horrific anecdote . . . who can get a grip on such vapor? It would be like trying to fight fog."

So yes, the Republicans won the Presidency and possibly destroyed Clinton's reputation. In the process, they stripped bare any pretence that Congress was engaged in anything other than a partisan political witch hunt and tarnished the FBI's reputation for political impartiality - hard-won after the Hoover years. I hope you it was worth it.

Eyal wrote:
So yes, the Republicans won the Presidency and possibly destroyed Clinton's reputation. In the process, they stripped bare any pretence that Congress was engaged in anything other than a partisan political witch hunt and tarnished the FBI's reputation for political impartiality - hard-won after the Hoover years. I hope you it was worth it.

Of course it is worth it. The GOP controls the White House All of Congress, even though it lacks votes for cloture in the Senate. It once again has a 5-4 court and with one more exit from the court will control the Supreme Court. It will put [wacko] Conservative judges in the appeals courts. Even if Trump loses in '20, they control the SCOTUS for another generation. Same with the House. By which time who will remember Server-gate?

WeirdlyWired wrote:

Eyal wrote:Of course it is worth it. The GOP controls the White House All of Congress, even though it lacks votes for cloture in the Senate.

Bolding mine.
I thought that was a typo.
I was wrong.
WW, thanks for expanding my vocabulary.

Sometimes winning can be losing. John Howard was our second longest serving PM at 11 years, and he didn't have control of both houses until towards the end, then he got control of both. Up to then he had been able to placate his least practical hard right members by promising to implement some of their more extreme agendas, but "Aw shucks, they won't let me".
No more excuses, up came the new acts, and at the next election he lost the country and his own seat as well.
To a certain extent Trump has no excuses, he will be expected to follow through with some of his election promises.

WeirdlyWired wrote:
Most emphatically, which was my point. At this date it is moot. Clinton lost and [hopefully] has permanently retired from politics. And Trump has declared that he no longer wishes to Send Hillary to Jail.

I sincerely hope nobody on this forum actuallyexpected her to actually go to jail.

*LOL*

Considering that she almost certainly did not actually do anything wrong beyond doing what the experts who were supposed to know, TOLD her to do?

It was never even the slightest likely to involve jail of any kind, and even having the circus going to any kind of court at all would be completely baffling.

Eyal wrote:So yes, the Republicans won the Presidency and possibly destroyed Clinton's reputation. In the process, they stripped bare any pretence that Congress was engaged in anything other than a partisan political witch hunt and tarnished the FBI's reputation for political impartiality - hard-won after the Hoover years. I hope you it was worth it.

A very emphatic +1 to that.

WeirdlyWired wrote:Of course it is worth it. The GOP controls the White House All of Congress, even though it lacks votes for cloture in the Senate. It once again has a 5-4 court and with one more exit from the court will control the Supreme Court. It will put [wacko] Conservative judges in the appeals courts. Even if Trump loses in '20, they control the SCOTUS for another generation. Same with the House. By which time who will remember Server-gate?

That is the shortsighted, "only politics and winning counts" way of looking at it yes. The problem is that this is one more "brick in the wall" of destroying any democratic value remaining in the US election system.

dscott8 wrote:So why is Trump NOT in jail? Al Capone was done for tax evasion.

Ah! But look at how much lawyers have learned...

We are at the worst of all worlds when laws are written by lawyers who may be the only ones that can sort out the loopholes.

I believe another name for loophole is noose... it is all a question of where you are when the rope is pulled tightly.

"I did nothing wrong with my university!" (will 25 million $ be enough to settle?)

biochem wrote:Before the election I wanted prosecution for both email and the Clinton foundation pay for play concern.

But post-election I think she has been punished enough. She lost what she most wanted in this world (the presidency) AND she lost her reputation. There will be no getting that back. Ask Richard Nixon. No matter what she does for the rest of her life she will be despised as "crooked Hilary". Her future political influence is zero. Few people will donate to the Clinton Foundation now that it has been exposed. (Pay for Play Schemes work best out of the sunshine). Her fair weather friends will soon desert her.

Nixon had his time in the Oval Office and a life time pension. "I'm not a crook" (define crook... he was more twisty than a bowl of spaghetti)
We have also recently had senators and congresspersons resign before being charged and they get lifetime pensions also...
In this much I strongly agree with Trump... the system is rigged.