Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?

Dilandu wrote:

cthia wrote:
I'm simply attempting to point out that all is not as it seems. You can't judge a book by its cover. And if you want to know what's inside the book, don't rely on the internet.

It would be splendid advice, if you & TFY did not demonstrate constant attempts do do exactly that, you know. And I do not claim that I know US system perfectly (albeit I have a nasty suspicion that I knew more about America, than you about Russia). I just pointed out, that your medical system blundered the coronavirus pandemic and there are reasons to believe that it is not just an accident, but more likely it is the system failure. And your argument is "but we invested more than anyone else in research!" - sorry, but it starts to sound exactly like the late Soviet "there are no sugar in stores, but hey, our country is on first place by the cast-iron production growth!"

Not exactly, speaking for myself. I often look for "support" on the internet of things I already know from "other" sources. Like the accusation against your country for it's illegal online sourcing of illegal pharmaceuticals is a constant aggravation of my sister's. These drugs are analysed by people like my sister in attempts to identify the source.

Ditto the use of American pharma infrastructure by foreign countries is a discussion emanating from my sister and colleagues, "backed by" the internet.

I don't often participate in these threads. When I do, it is because something has really gotten my goat, usually because something goes way out on a limb over very thin ice.

Of past history that has gotten my goat... illegal immigrants, guns, politics, and, now, medicine and pharmaceuticals are topics about America that internet Americans hardly have a clue.

No doubt, with the internet, you can catch wind of problems, but you can't rely on it to analyze it. You are too far removed. The subject of guns? Pfft!

TFLYTSNBN wrote:Hurray!

Trump imposes a travel ban on Europe.

Keep those disease ridden Eurotrash from infecting Americans.

But don't worry, Brits... You'll still be able to come on over. There is an exception for the UK because Donnie loves Boris!!!

Don

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n7axw wrote:

TFLYTSNBN wrote:The bigotry by foreigners displayed on this forum truly astounds me. The US system is expensive. Malpractice awsuits and the fear of lawsuits multiply the costs. However; anyone walking or being wheeled in to the ER is going to get cared for with or without insurance. This care includes quick access to sophisticated diagnostics such as CAT scan and MRI.

I was in an emergency room of one of our major hospitals lately. Our family doctor rushed her up there...I drove, not an ambulance... because her hemoglobin had fallen to 6 which is dangerously low. We sat in the waiting room for two hours while the staff tried to juggle the seriously ill people like my wife and poor people who were there because they could not afford the services. The place was filled with sick and cranky children. My heart went out to them, but the emergency room is not a good place to run a clinic for poor people.

My wife was eventually checked into the hospital and got a unit of blood. Later her problem was properly diagnosed and dealt with.

That is not a good scene. It was a real good example of why we need to get this situation corralled and under control.

Don

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Those "poor people" that were overwhelming the emergency room are also known as "illegal aliens."

TFLYTSNBN wrote:
Those "poor people" that were overwhelming the emergency room are also known as "illegal aliens."

Uh huh... because as we all know "real Americans" are never poor or uninsured or on crap garbage insurance plans.

Could you just try to keep the incredibly stupid bigotry below levels that make all our brains hurt just to read it?

Dilandu wrote:

cthia wrote:
I'm simply attempting to point out that all is not as it seems. You can't judge a book by its cover. And if you want to know what's inside the book, don't rely on the internet.

It would be splendid advice, if you & TFY did not demonstrate constant attempts do do exactly that, you know. And I do not claim that I know US system perfectly (albeit I have a nasty suspicion that I knew more about America, than you about Russia). I just pointed out, that your medical system blundered the coronavirus pandemic and there are reasons to believe that it is not just an accident, but more likely it is the system failure. And your argument is "but we invested more than anyone else in research!" - sorry, but it starts to sound exactly like the late Soviet "there are no sugar in stores, but hey, our country is on first place by the cast-iron production growth!"

I would point out that the actual statistics indicate that the US has handled the Coronavirus much more effectively than just about any of the Northern latitude countries with socialized health care. When you calculate the infection RATE per capital, America has about one-third of the infection rate.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I will concede that I wish that President Trump had imposed the travel ban sooner. All indications are that he deferred to his professional advisers until he overrode them. Two examples are Trump's opposition to allowing the Bug Boat to dock and anger when he learned that the CDC flew home known infected patients on a flight with people who were merely suspected exposed. The special airliner ambulance was set up to handle it but I would have made two flights.

Russia's infection rate seems to be vanishingly small. However; your numbers are just as suspicious as North Korea's. I suspect that Vladimir Putin has a ditch dug somewhere​ that is being filled with suspected infected who are being machinegunned then buried.

gcomeau wrote:

TFLYTSNBN wrote:
Those "poor people" that were overwhelming the emergency room are also known as "illegal aliens."

Uh huh... because as we all know "real Americans" are never poor or uninsured or on crap garbage insurance plans.

Could you just try to keep the incredibly stupid bigotry below levels that make all our brains hurt just to read it?

I've had to wait in an emergency room as well. I can see the people and recognize their language. Studies confirm that most of America's uninsured are illegal immigrants. It is reality, not bigotry.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:

gcomeau wrote:
Uh huh... because as we all know "real Americans" are never poor or uninsured or on crap garbage insurance plans.

Could you just try to keep the incredibly stupid bigotry below levels that make all our brains hurt just to read it?

I've had to wait in an emergency room as well. I can see the people and recognize their language.

Ah, because anyone with a first language that isn't English is here *illegally*.

Gosh, I can't believe I thought you were being bigoted but you really cleared that up now.

Studies confirm that most of America's uninsured are illegal immigrants.

Ummm, no. No they do not.

Well, the Democratic House passed a bill that will...

*Pay for testing... so how wide it has spread can finally be accurately assessed
*Pay for sick leave, unemployment insurance and food assistance for people infected with the virus so those people can stay home and not, you know, infect everyone else.

The GOP Senate leadership just announced they are so very very serious about dealing with the issue that they will go on vacation next week and look at it after they get back. Because it's not like this is urgent or anything.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:

Dilandu wrote:It would be splendid advice, if you & TFY did not demonstrate constant attempts do do exactly that, you know. And I do not claim that I know US system perfectly (albeit I have a nasty suspicion that I knew more about America, than you about Russia). I just pointed out, that your medical system blundered the coronavirus pandemic and there are reasons to believe that it is not just an accident, but more likely it is the system failure. And your argument is "but we invested more than anyone else in research!" - sorry, but it starts to sound exactly like the late Soviet "there are no sugar in stores, but hey, our country is on first place by the cast-iron production growth!"

I would point out that the actual statistics indicate that the US has handled the Coronavirus much more effectively than just about any of the Northern latitude countries with socialized health care. When you calculate the infection RATE per capital, America has about one-third of the infection rate.

Ummmm, NO.

The statistics indicate the US lags far, far behind other countries in actually freaking testing people for the virus. Because Trump's priority was on his personal PR campaign.

TFLYTSNBN wrote:

I would point out that the actual statistics indicate that the US has handled the Coronavirus much more effectively than just about any of the Northern latitude countries with socialized health care. When you calculate the infection RATE per capital, America has about one-third of the infection rate.

Actually no. Your infection rate is much bigger than it is shown; it's your problem with testings, that created false impression of some kind of "efficient handling".

I will concede that I wish that President Trump had imposed the travel ban sooner. All indications are that he deferred to his professional advisers until he overrode them. Two examples are Trump's opposition to allowing the Bug Boat to dock and anger when he learned that the CDC flew home known infected patients on a flight with people who were merely suspected exposed. The special airliner ambulance was set up to handle it but I would have made two flights.

Doesn't seems to be true. Actually, Trump seems to very seriously underestimate the real scale of problem; he assumed that the disease is a seasonal one.

Russia's infection rate seems to be vanishingly small.

It is probably bigger, yes.