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Annachie wrote:Um, Flowers case, for defamation against Hillary Clinton and others, was dismissed.

I believe I've said in here that Bill was almost as bad as Trump as a sexual abuser.
Hell, since they both were mates of Eppstein it wouldn't suprise me if Bill was a pedo too.

But what does any of that have to do with Trump admitting to sexual assault. Hell, boasting of it.

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If that connection to Eppstein confirms pedophilia, hang their sorry carcasses. Until then, the Paula Jones case was not dismissed. Having state troopers pick a young lady up and bring her to the governor's suite for sex is pretty low. Adding the other allegations and well Slick willy is a prick and a predator.

What I as an outsider find surreal is Trump attacking the US media as being biased and left wing. From a distance most other western observers see Fox News as well into delusional false alt right news, and the other US news services are to the right of most of our media.
During the second Iraqi war, our war planning room had news feeds from all over, and two reports of the same item stick with me still. Reuters said US invading forces killed approximately 10,000 ill trained and equipped Iraqi troops in a battle, while Fox News reported that treacherous Iraqi "insurgents" murdered 35 brave US soldiers. Now I was materially supporting the action, yet still almost choked at the reporting bias. They may have been our opponents, but they were legitimate soldiers of a sovereign state that was being invaded, not insurgents.

PeterZ wrote:Dismissed? More like found in contempt of court for lying and had to settle.

PeterZ wrote:If that connection to Eppstein confirms pedophilia, hang their sorry carcasses. Until then, the Paula Jones case was not dismissed. Having state troopers pick a young lady up and bring her to the governor's suite for sex is pretty low. Adding the other allegations and well Slick willy is a prick and a predator.

The things he was lying about and faced contempt charges (plus impeachement and other consquences) for didn't have anything to do with sexual assault, though.

I may be in error, but my impression of the Jones case was that Clinton would have likely beaten the charges if he'd fought them to the end.

In any event, I don't consider it particularly relevant - Trump has a host of issues which are much better confirmed than the sexual assault allegations, and his conduct since the inauguration hasn't really changed that impression.

Eyal wrote:The things he was lying about and faced contempt charges (plus impeachement and other consquences) for didn't have anything to do with sexual assault, though.

I may be in error, but my impression of the Jones case was that Clinton would have likely beaten the charges if he'd fought them to the end.

In any event, I don't consider it particularly relevant - Trump has a host of issues which are much better confirmed than the sexual assault allegations, and his conduct since the inauguration hasn't really changed that impression.

Jones case was dismissed by Rule Nisi, and appealed. The lower court said she suffered no retaliation, was not fired, demoted, did not get negative performance reports or get denied any promotions. No damage, no standing. She appealed and Clinton paid to shut her up. Of course the rest of the story is the GOP operatives bankrolling the entire suit were furious at her acceptance of the offer because they could no longer use it for their political hatchet job.

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PeterZ wrote:Dismissed? More like found in contempt of court for lying and had to settle.

PeterZ wrote:If that connection to Eppstein confirms pedophilia, hang their sorry carcasses. Until then, the Paula Jones case was not dismissed. Having state troopers pick a young lady up and bring her to the governor's suite for sex is pretty low. Adding the other allegations and well Slick willy is a prick and a predator.

The things he was lying about and faced contempt charges (plus impeachement and other consquences) for didn't have anything to do with sexual assault, though.

I may be in error, but my impression of the Jones case was that Clinton would have likely beaten the charges if he'd fought them to the end.

In any event, I don't consider it particularly relevant - Trump has a host of issues which are much better confirmed than the sexual assault allegations, and his conduct since the inauguration hasn't really changed that impression.

As I posted earlier, we'll believe as we wish. I just find the selective outrage more then telling. That these indignant children and adult snowflakes feel justified in atrocious behavior because they did not get their way is but an incredibly visible symptom of that selective and childish outrage. Accosting people on planes, death threats to 18 year old singers and that rediculously vulgar march in Washington. On second thought, they were no less vulgar than Trump has been so the march was in line with current politics. The rest is simply over the top.

I wish they would grow the F up. This was for those snowflakes rather than any posters on this forum.

Dang! Looks like we get an investigation into voter fraud. I hope this is an honest investigation, rather than a whitewash. I also hope this isn't an excuse to play even more games with voting rules.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/25/trump-promises-major-investigation-into-alleged-voter-fraud.html

Trump is not a quitter.
Whatever else he is, he is not a quitter.

Ross Perot showed himself a quitter,
Sarah Palin has quit active politics for commentary,
but Donald Trump, I tell you three times, is not a quitter!

HTM, PHL

WeirdlyWired wrote:

Daryl wrote:Eyal, you make good points. One I liked was how you can be outrageous in your promises if you know they won't get through. A PM of ours promised hard line employment laws knowing the Senate would block them. Then he made the mistake of winning the Senate, lost big time next election.
We are in for an intrresting time. I wonder if he gets frustrated enough he may resign, having proved that he could win but not really being interested in the hum drum of political negotiations.

Sounds like a cheap remake of the Alaska governorship starring Sarah Palin as Caribou "quitter" Barbie. Or maybe a cheesy sequel.

As of Wednesday 1/25,
the Republicans in the Senate are overcoming whatever
anger they might feel towards Trump, with the help of
their gratitude towards him for winning the elections.

They just confirmed a Friend Of Vladimir to be
Secretary of State. That they ostentiously held their
noses while so doing, hardly matters, at least to me.

Trump's deeds so far have been Republican Deeds.
On Monday he reinstated the ban on talking about abortions,
and ordered the EPA to stop talking about their intentions.
His nominee for EPA head, Oklahoma's Attorney General,
has sued the EPA to try to stop its actions,
and has also demeaned its purpose.

Any distinction between President Trump,
and a Republican president,
is not yet large enough for me to notice.
(but maybe tomorrow ... I would not bet on it
(if I had a choice).
Now, betting that Trump will be less of a Republican
than Mike Pence, is the only game in town. Pence is
Trump's insurance policy that 34 Senate Democrats
will not vote to convict him of anything the House
Republicans charge him with.

HTM, PHL

PeterZ wrote:I am glad that Trump is pissing off Republicans in Congress. I am glad that Democrats may well see impeaching him as politically detrimental to their aspirations. I am glad Trump is picking fights with our partisan media. This ego driven, bombastic and openly confrontational style of politics invites darn near everyone to be at least mildly antagonistic towards him. Perhaps, each side of the isle can leverage his ego driven antagonism to get things done. If Congress enacts things that does not work, let Trump take the full blame for the policy. If the policy works, allow him the lion's share of credit but take some as well. Perhaps, perhaps this bombastic President will finally get Congress to once again take up their responsibilities as one of three co-equal branches of the US federal government.

His admitted populism makes him neither Republican nor Democrat, really. Both sides can work with him and against him as the circumstances warrant. That Trump won as neither a true Republican or Democrat should be the biggest political boon for Congress as a whole, yet our representatives appear to be blind to the possibilities.

Perhaps I am wrong and all I am focusing on is the lamentation of children and spoiled adults who did not get their way. Let's see how the elected officials in Congress respond to Trumps initiatives.

PeterZ wrote:Dismissed? More like found in contempt of court for lying and had to settle.

That was for trying to hide the affair with Lewinski, not for anything testified about regarding the Jones accusations.

An affair is a very different animal than sexual assault. Please try not to confuse the two by stating things in a manner that makes it look like he was found to be lying about the latter.

PeterZ wrote:If that connection to Eppstein confirms pedophilia, hang their sorry carcasses. Until then, the Paula Jones case was not dismissed.

Yes it was dismissed.

The dismissal was then appealed, and as that process promised to drag on the settlement was reached to get it out of the national spotlight (wishful thinking of course). But it was the general consensus of anyone watching the proceedings that if the appeal had continued she would have eventually lost that too.

Having state troopers pick a young lady up and bring her to the governor's suite for sex is pretty low. Adding the other allegations and well Slick willy is a prick and a predator.

Yes, if it had happened. But her story was disputed by all available witnesses, including her own sister and brother in law.

As I posted earlier, we'll believe as we wish. I just find the selective outrage more then telling. That these indignant children and adult snowflakes feel justified in atrocious behavior because they did not get their way is but an incredibly visible symptom of that selective and childish outrage.

Atrocious behavior?

There were *at least* twice as many people in the Women's March in DC as there were for the inauguration. The city was flooded with protesters.

Zero Arrests.

Yeah, very atrocious...

Accosting people on planes,

You mean this guy?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/busi ... marks.html

Or the one lady I know of that spoke angrily to a Trump supporter on a plane and managed to have that video go viral?

death threats to 18 year old singers

There are always internet crackpots screaming threats at celebrities on the internet any time they do anything newsworthy that is in any way politically controversial.

and that rediculously vulgar march in Washington. On second thought, they were no less vulgar than Trump has been so the march was in line with current politics. The rest is simply over the top.

There is something seriously wrong with you if you can equate a womens rights march and boasts about sexual assault as both equally vulgar. Or for that matter, call a peaceful women's rights march vulgar at all. You do understand that the reason the signage had explicit language was *specifically* to make the point about the language Trump constantly uses to describe women right?

Calling them equally vulgar is like seeing one person call someone <<the N word>>... the person he said it to say "Hey, this guy called me <<the N word>>!" and you responding... "They both said the word, so they're both equally racist".

I quit, gcomeau. Go ahead and continue as you would against Trump. The louder, the better. Let the crybullies continue their antics. I won't post another word against them.

I am just going to sit back and pop some popcorn. Its going to be along 2 years for the midterms for some of us. I'll enjoy what I can.

Cheers!