Time to read THE LAST CENTURION?

n7axw wrote:It would help if we had competent leadership at the top who would assist the professionals in doing their work without getting in the way with bad info and political static.

Don

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Obviously, but your healthcare system is still a total embarrassment.

Dilandu wrote:

n7axw wrote:It would help if we had competent leadership at the top who would assist the professionals in doing their work without getting in the way with bad info and political static.

Don

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Obviously, but your healthcare system is still a total embarrassment.

Even Cubans have better health-care in general (for free) than a majority of US citizens.

Dilandu wrote:

n7axw wrote:It would help if we had competent leadership at the top who would assist the professionals in doing their work without getting in the way with bad info and political static.

Don

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Obviously, but your healthcare system is still a total embarrassment.

The research side of things is the best in the world, but the distribution side gives us half the care at twice the cost. Between Medicare and supplemental insurance, we get by ok. The church manages our insurance and we pay premiums. My wife has had some serious issues, but out of pocket cost to us has been minimal and the care has been excellent. Great care facilities available if you can afford to avail yourself of them. Unfortunately not everybody can. That is the rub.

As for the pandemic, everybody, both private and public, is stepping up to the plate to do their part and a bipartisan bill has been passed to deal with the cost. But the problem is lack of competent leadership at the top. Rather than using his office to facilitate the people who need to be working together, Trump sees everything in political terms and then constantly opens his mouth spreading false info and providing advice contrary to the advice of the professionals.

Pandemics have happened before and been managed well.
I imagine we'll eventually muddle through. But my, my, what a mess.

Don

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Joat42 wrote:

Dilandu wrote:
Don

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Obviously, but your healthcare system is still a total embarrassment.

Even Cubans have better health-care in general (for free) than a majority of US citizens.[/quote]

If you talk to Cubans who have gone to the Cuban for Cubans clinics/hospitals as opposed to the Cuban for Foreigners facilities, you would not say what you said. For virtually anything more complex than bandages, Cuban medical care is far worse than it was when Fidel took over. I've heard people tell about having to take sheets and pillows from home or do without.

Our healthcare isn't an embarrassment. Our leadership is an embarrassment. We've got the best healthcare on the planet. It's just not widely accessible.

I can't believe college kids want to travel on Spring Break. What a nice time to be in college.

doug941 wrote:

Joat42 wrote:Even Cubans have better health-care in general (for free) than a majority of US citizens.

If you talk to Cubans who have gone to the Cuban for Cubans clinics/hospitals as opposed to the Cuban for Foreigners facilities, you would not say what you said. For virtually anything more complex than bandages, Cuban medical care is far worse than it was when Fidel took over. I've heard people tell about having to take sheets and pillows from home or do without.

Which is still more than many US citizens can afford. In general, the average health of US citizens are deteriorating, and the average health Cubans are actually improving according to all available statistics.

That means my statement actually holds true regardless of any anecdotal evidence.

I don't think we'll ever have national health care, at least not in my lifetime. The politics of the subject won't let us go there. What we can do is fix Obama care which theoretically, at least, could get us to universal coverage. And now, once people have a taste of its benefits is fairly popular.

Don

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Cuba really doesn't have the economy to support an adequate health care system for its people. We do. So we have no excuse.

Don

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doug941 wrote:

Joat42 wrote:
If you talk to Cubans who have gone to the Cuban for Cubans clinics/hospitals as opposed to the Cuban for Foreigners facilities, you would not say what you said. For virtually anything more complex than bandages, Cuban medical care is far worse than it was when Fidel took over. I've heard people tell about having to take sheets and pillows from home or do without.

Which is still more than many US citizens can afford. In general, the average health of US citizens are deteriorating, and the average health Cubans are actually improving according to all available statistics.

That means my statement actually holds true regardless of any anecdotal evidence.

Actually it is nowhere near true. If your medical staff can't provide you with a pillow, do you really think your going to get antibiotics and CAT scan machines? The US system is not perfect, nowhere near, but when was the last time a US doctor had to put his/her used needles in an autoclave so they can be reused?

The bigotry by foreigners displayed on this forum truly astounds me. The US system is expensive. Malpractice awsuits and the fear of lawsuits multiply the costs. However; anyone walking or being wheeled in to the ER is going to get cared for with or without insurance. This care includes quick access to sophisticated diagnostics such as CAT scan and MRI.