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Escape from poverty?
Post by DDHvi   » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:55 pm

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According to Acton, the current mindset on poverty relief took root during the colonization era, when local cultures were dismissed as “primitive” and their inhabitants as “natives” who needed to be told what to do by “advanced” Westerners. Other cultures may have problematic worldviews—as we do—but their people aren’t dumb. But those old prejudices have stuck, like gum on the bottom of our shoes. “Poverty, Inc.,” Acton says, “challenges viewers to question fundamental assumptions and see people in the developing world not in terms of their lack, but in terms of their dignity and creative potential.”


"Poverty Inc." is a documentary. If anyone has seen it, please comment here.


When in college, I walked to work through a very poor neighborhood. One friend from there had the attitude that he wouldn't ever be given a chance. Some dogs may have helped change this - we were going back from downtown, and I needed to hurry to get to classes on time, so was trotting ahead of him. As I passed some dogs, they barked at me. The next day, he complained that even the dogs barked at him. I pointed out that they had barked at me also, and quoted the proverb, "The dogs bark, but the wagons keep rolling on." The application is that anytime anyone tries to better themselves, there will be detractors to explain why it can't work. Listening to them never helps.

Some years after graduation, I visited back, and found he was doing well. It may be flattering myself, but perhaps that proverb helped him.
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Re: Escape from poverty?
Post by umbrarchist   » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:03 pm

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The "ownership" of land is an idea in people's heads. Who "owns" it and how did they get it?

The Economic Wargame is a continuation of the Military Wargame by other means.

but it is very funny that double-entry accounting was invented in Italy 700 years ago, but does any Western country make accounting mandatory in the schools? Hide info to rip off the dumb workers.
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Re: Escape from poverty?
Post by The E   » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:58 pm

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umbrarchist wrote:The "ownership" of land is an idea in people's heads. Who "owns" it and how did they get it?

The Economic Wargame is a continuation of the Military Wargame by other means.

but it is very funny that double-entry accounting was invented in Italy 700 years ago, but does any Western country make accounting mandatory in the schools? Hide info to rip off the dumb workers.


I don't know about countries making it mandatory, but I do know that basic bookkeeping and accounting is a mandatory topic when you do an apprenticeship in Germany (The curricula for these aren't set by the state, but by industry groups)
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Re: Escape from poverty?
Post by Daryl   » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:19 am

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I'd imagine from the title that this discussion is to be about why do people stay in poverty all their lives? Simple question with complex answers.
Environmental factors like being born in a 3d world country, racism, sexism, poor role models, and such raise significant barriers. Yet many still raise themselves above these challenges.
Personal factors also come into it. Being disabled, low intelligence, and most importantly lazy can block any chance. Then our old friend Murphy can unfairly trip good people up.

Anaecdotially I worked with people who were continually passed over for promotion, yet couldn't see that everyone knew they were lazy and undependable.
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Re: Escape from poverty?
Post by DDHvi   » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:02 am

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umbrarchist wrote:The "ownership" of land is an idea in people's heads. Who "owns" it and how did they get it?

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It is likely that some form of ownership would be needed for successful agriculture. This would not have to be identical to ours. In some cultures you can own specific trees by planting and taking care of them. An adaption of this has been useful to me: a man here has a number of lots which are basically distressed property, as in where the house burned down. Room on my own lot has mostly been used. So we have a deal where I plant perennials and can harvest them until the lot is needed for other purposes. I don't need to spend for more land, he inherits the trees, etc. later, as in when someone buys the lot and builds there. It wouldn't work if lot turnover here were high.
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