Rediscovery of Technology

smr wrote:You have to decide what is truth and what is fiction.

What about the things that are based in truth, but have been passed on orally with all the distortions that such a method is unable to avoid?
Truth and fiction are not always incompatible. Some things can be truth-disguised as fiction, or fiction that becomes the truth...
Life is rarely neat and tidy. If it hangs together too well, it is probably fake.

smr wrote:You have to decide what is truth and what is fiction.

Truth: At no point in time was the entire Earth covered in water.
Truth: At no point in time was there a giant arc holding specimen of every race of animal cruising the waves, waiting for water levels to drop.

See? Pretty easy.

For crying out loud, those articles only talk about the die-off and then reestablishment of coastal civilizations; Unless I missed something, there are no claims that anything remotely resembling the scope of what the bible implies has happened.

Do you know that found on top mountains sea shells? The fact is you do not know...it's a belief (probably true). If humanity had some type of technology...maybe a submarine with lab to store the specimens or cryogenic chambers to preserve life. Who knows...try a hundred years in advance of technology and powers that be know a possible life ending event is going to occur. What would they do to preserve civilization and planet. Think about...write your own scenario and what would you do to prepare for the worst. In this case their are no wrong or right answers except do nothing!


Considering that 80% of humanity lives near coast, that would collapse all world wide. Hunger, drought, and pestilence would kill off a good percentage of the surviving population.

The E wrote:

smr wrote:You have to decide what is truth and what is fiction.

Truth: At no point in time was the entire Earth covered in water.
Truth: At no point in time was there a giant arc holding specimen of every race of animal cruising the waves, waiting for water levels to drop.

See? Pretty easy.

For crying out loud, those articles only talk about the die-off and then reestablishment of coastal civilizations; Unless I missed something, there are no claims that anything remotely resembling the scope of what the bible implies has happened.

We are all to some extent science geeks and wishful thinkers, so you'd imagine that we'd all rush to go along with you smr; however you are grasping at straws and cherry picking items that you believe support your arguments while ignoring all else.

I doubt that there is an educated person who doesn't know that sea shells and marine fossils have been found on mountain tops; however they also know about tectonic shifts, carbon dating, geology and lots more that all fits together to rationally explain this.

@Daryl

The geologists and geophysicists say that we have three worldwide floods in the geologic record. I will only speak on 2 of them because their the ones that I remember in greater detail. First, the planet went through an extreme period of cooling due that caused the world to be like Pluto is currently. They believe that the sun went through a cycle of reduced energy output. This cycle lasted at least a thousand years or more. The second incident was asteroid strike on North America. At that time North America was heavily covered with ice. The North Pole was located near Niagara Falls in the United States/Canada. Throughout this region in that layer of geologic strata/time is found micro-diamonds. This can only be created by some type of asteroid or comet strike into the ice cap on the North American continent.

To heck with Daryl, I will speak on the 3rd event. Third, some type of massive asteroid/comet strike in the ocean which cracked the planet causing a global cataclysm. Multiple Tsunami events happening around the world. The earthquakes going off due to being struck by a foreign object. Which leads to rapid increase in Volcano's going off. The amount of dust and debris in atmosphere would have destroy most civilizations due to extreme droughts and floods not to mention climate changes. Changes to climate would have destroyed civilizations that survived the global cataclysm. That's when the worldwide population dwindled several thousand people worldwide according to secular scientists. The geneticists will tell you we are all descended from 8 women.

Daryl, I understand that you beef with religion and more specifically God. The Bible has been a remarkably accurate History book for the Middle East region. Time and time again the archaeologists and other scientist have been proven wrong. Their is too much scientific evidence, historical documents, multiple culture stories/myths, and religious texts (other religious texts other than the Bible, Torah, or the Koran!). I can not in good faith bash TheE about not believing in the Ark until the Ark is really confirmed or denied (we will not go into the politics of confirming or denying the truth of the Ark!) but I really see how that happened.

I repeat "you are grasping at straws and cherry picking items that you believe support your arguments while ignoring all else."

Your last post is more of the same. What reputable theory has ever stated that the earth was once at the same temperature as Pluto is now?

If there was a world wide flood that covered all the earth, where has the water gone since? Think it through, if the Himalayas and Andes were covered there must have been kilometres deep water over the rest, I won't bother doing the maths but squillions of tons.

Yes there have been major asteroid strikes that are well documented as being millions of years before the first humans appeared, where is the reputable evidence that they caused a civilisation to collapse in the Jurassic?

The decent from 8 women is quite plausible if you understand genetics. Look at family trees, you have two parents, four grandparents, eight great grandparents etc. Go back far enough and one of those eight women will be in your ancestors.
I'm quite sure that the Ark myth came often in different places from farmers putting their livestock in a boat and thus surviving large local floods. Add in several millennia of oral tradition and the Ark story is virtually certain to ensue.

The seashells on top of mountains have been known for decades, as has the reason they are there: plate tectonics, and the movement and upheaval of the ground by the forces acting on them. In fact, ideas that perhaps the mountains have moved were thought of as far back as 540bc, so the idea isnt even really that new, just well known now.

smr wrote:Do you know that found on top mountains sea shells? The fact is you do not know...it's a belief (probably true). If humanity had some type of technology...maybe a submarine with lab to store the specimens or cryogenic chambers to preserve life. Who knows...try a hundred years in advance of technology and powers that be know a possible life ending event is going to occur. What would they do to preserve civilization and planet. Think about...write your own scenario and what would you do to prepare for the worst. In this case their are no wrong or right answers except do nothing!


Considering that 80% of humanity lives near coast, that would collapse all world wide. Hunger, drought, and pestilence would kill off a good percentage of the surviving population.

The hydro plate theory is one explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGzN2ggbBdY

smr wrote:Earlier, I wrote about the Great Flood in the Bible and certain unnamed people saying that was a myth or that was the Black Sea flooding. New evidence has turned up and the scientists are revisiting the theory about a Global Flood.

I very much anyone said there never was a "great flood", because that´s been well known for a long time. IIRC, last time was about 12k years ago or something.

A global flood covering up EVERYTHING however, that has probably not happened on earth even on a geological timescale.

smr wrote:You have to decide what is truth and what is fiction.

Yes you do. And i suggest you start doing it based on something better than "sounds cool".

smr wrote:Do you know that found on top mountains sea shells?

Yes, that would be due to how mountains are formed. Like how the Himalayas many years ago was actually at the bottom of the sea, which is why it´s a very popular place to get mineralsalt.

And it only took a few million decades to happen!

smr wrote:The geologists and geophysicists say that we have three worldwide floods in the geologic record.

You need to realise that "worldwide" is NOT the same as "all covering". Worldwide flooding means that all oceans were flooded(as in much higher than usual) at the same time. It does not mean all land areas were covered with water.

smr wrote: First, the planet went through an extreme period of cooling due that caused the world to be like Pluto is currently.

Usually called an ice age of the more severe kind yes. Earth was never on the level of Pluto of right now however.

Daryl wrote:...

The decent from 8 women is quite plausible if you understand genetics. Look at family trees, you have two parents, four grandparents, eight great grandparents etc. Go back far enough and one of those eight women will be in your ancestors.
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Do remember, that just we may be able to trace ancestry to a very limited number of persons, this does not mean those persons were the only humans alive at the time, it only means the other lineages have been lost over time.

Which is why the so called "genetical Eve" keeps CHANGING over time. Sometimes, someone finds an additional lineage previously unknown, this pushes the "Eve" back in time...