Rediscovery of Technology

Spacekiwi wrote:Go read the articles, then come back and complain.

You do not know when to stop digging deeper do you?

Take your own advice after reading a couple geology text books first. That way at least you will understand the abstracts.

Sweet dreams

While repairing a computer, I saw a show on the Science Channel. The show was talking about Sodom and Gomorrah. Scientist find a very thin small stone painting of the night sky that show when a asteroid or meteorite. A noted Sumerian stargazer recorded what happened by painting the night sky. They were able to match the night sky with a physical sky of roughly 3500 BC (I do not remember the exact date!). I am wondering out aloud when this happened but Wiki shows a later date of the old kingdom of Egypt. So that ends that! By the way, this is example of worldwide cataclysmic event that has happened in our past! Oh by the way they back up the bible more importantly the geophysicists that I referenced!

The destruction of a single city by a meteorite is only a global event if your world consists of just that city, just as a flood is only a global event if your world consists of the area being flooded.

The night sky of 3500 BC is the night sky of 2000AD to the naked eye.

Yes, you can see mars/venus/Jupiter via the naked eye. Try deciphering a point of light in a drawing as a planet verses a star is an extreme stretch of anyone's imagination. I say: absurd.

At least you are not making up geology that no geologist adheres to on the fly like spacewiki out of sheer ignorance. Your extrapolated postulate for correlative fact from a painting is just absurd.

I did not 'make up' my geology. I quoted 3 different respected scientific institutions saying you were wrong, and you dismissed them.

wastedfly wrote:At least you are not making up geology that no geologist adheres to on the fly like spacewiki out of sheer ignorance. Your extrapolated postulate for correlative fact from a painting is just absurd.

Spacekiwi wrote:I did not 'make up' my geology. I quoted 3 different respected scientific institutions saying you were wrong, and you dismissed them.

wastedfly wrote:At least you are not making up geology that no geologist adheres to on the fly like spacewiki out of sheer ignorance. Your extrapolated postulate for correlative fact from a painting is just absurd.

Well sure, you still do not even know what the subject being discussed is. Your quoted abstracts have as much relevance to the subject being discussed as a Honorverse marines rifle being used to destroy super dreadnaughts from 64 million kilometers and that is being kind to the marine rifle.

No geologist on this planet is going to try quoting an abstract about the lithification and bed orientation of organic matter into coal beds to describe the formation of stratified sandstone! Just you.

No geologist is ever going to claim sorting of clasts in a non moving environment. Sorting requires motion. No geologist on this planet denies this. Other than you it would seem. Go figure.

Keep digging your hole deeper with your fool tool.(posting button) Now it is becoming good entertainment. Please do continue.

The E wrote:The destruction of a single city by a meteorite is only a global event if your world consists of just that city, just as a flood is only a global event if your world consists of the area being flooded.

The destruction I was referring was worldwide! According to the show on science channel....the meteorite destroyed civilizations throughout the world because it dramatically rapidly changed the the climate throughout the world. They know this by studying the ice cores. They studied ice cores from Asia, South America, Greenland, and other points in between. Now, the scientists are not sure if the meteorite was and airburst or if the meteorite had struck the ground. The results from the strike was to change North Africa and Saudi Arabia into desserts from lush plains. Chile went from subtropical to extreme cold. The found plant material that was flash frozen in the ice cores. Some much material was put into the atmosphere that global temperatures dropped dramatically resulting in miny ice ages in some parts of the world. It caused severe droughts that destroyed many civilizations throughout the world.

@ The E - I am sorry if you are catching some of ire in this discussion.

Earlier posted on forum, one forum poster was dogging the bible not being an accurate historical document more specifically the old testament. I had been discussing how the historians were wrong about Egyptian history. Many historians pointed to the bible being wrong until they discovered that Egypt had been invaded. Their was a North and South Egypt. The time period falls into the time between the old and new kingdom of Egypt! Also, this forum poster was banging me about the people turning to salt. Well, they trying to describe what happens when chunks of earth are blasted into the atmosphere. The chunks become superheated and set everything they touch on fire when they return back to ground due to gravity.


Now back to the global flood, we had one at least a million years ago when asteroid hit the Gulf of Mexico and Mexico. The asteroid was so large when the 1st bit hit land it still had to go up 35,000 feet for the end of the asteroid or comet. That one was a civilization and planet climate killer. It depressed the whole continent. Second, the Super Volcano went off in North America at the same time. They can not state it was a cause and effect because ice cores are not reliable at that time period. The effect on North America was to drop 12 feet to 36 feet ash on the whole continent. They have found remains a great tidal was that went around the world. The estimates according the computer models is that at it's peak it would have been at 5 miles in height. At that point, my mind just shut down in awe of what that would do to the world. Most civilizations would be wiped out because where does most of world population live in the coastal regions (80% of the pop. lives in near the water).

To sum that up, we had a majority planetary object strike in the Gulf of Mexico. That event most likely caused increased a significant increase in Volcanism around the world and certainly in North America. It also caused at least a miny ice age if not a full ice age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater

Question: which moon in the solar system is currently covered by ice......Europa. So just maybe a global is possible under the right conditions. If a world has a global flood it's possible that is followed by an ice age due to rapid cooling of global temperatures.

smr wrote:Now back to the global flood, we had one at least a million years ago when asteroid hit the Gulf of Mexico and Mexico. The asteroid was so large when the 1st bit hit land it still had to go up 35,000 feet for the end of the asteroid or comet. That one was a civilization and planet climate killer.

Climate killer I can understand, but civilization killer? The earliest human-like forms enter the fossil record only about 500000 years back; the first cultural artifacts date back only a couple thousand. Postulating that a civilization was around to record these events and pass them on into our collective memory is unfounded speculation.

Also, I think you need to check your numbers again. The current theory connects the impact crater in the gulf of mexico with the Permian-Triassic extinction event, about 250 million years ago. The last major extinction event, the Cretaceous-Paleogene one, occurred 66 million years ago, also long before anything we would recognize as a civilization appeared.

Basically, there have been plenty of extinction level events recorded in the fossil record. None have happened after humans started arriving on the scene.

It depressed the whole continent. Second, the Super Volcano went off in North America at the same time. They can not state it was a cause and effect because ice cores are not reliable at that time period. The effect on North America was to drop 12 feet to 36 feet ash on the whole continent. They have found remains a great tidal was that went around the world. The estimates according the computer models is that at it's peak it would have been at 5 miles in height. At that point, my mind just shut down in awe of what that would do to the world. Most civilizations would be wiped out because where does most of world population live in the coastal regions (80% of the pop. lives in near the water).

The last time a supervolcano erupted was 70000 years ago, the last time Yellowstone erupted was 2 million years ago. While humans were definitely around during the Toba event, it did not cause what you describe (it did cause a 5-10 year cooling period though). Again, this is more proof that the biblical account is not in any way indicative of an actual, global event.

Floods have happened. Civilizations have been ended, or at least severely impacted by them. However, there is no evidence of a single event affecting all of these civilizations at the same time, and the fossil record does not offer any indications that a global flood has happened in the timeframe required for humans to witness it.

Question: which moon in the solar system is currently covered by ice......Europa. So just maybe a global is possible under the right conditions. If a world has a global flood it's possible that is followed by an ice age due to rapid cooling of global temperatures.

What does Europa have to do with this? Europa doesn't have enough of an atmosphere to have a climate.

wastedfly wrote:The night sky of 3500 BC is the night sky of 2000AD to the naked eye.

That is very incorrect.

If you know what you´re doing, you can determine the current year, by "naked eye", even if current decade is a lot easier.

smr wrote: The found plant material that was flash frozen in the ice cores.

May i just say that it's impossible?

The climat changes on the scale thay you proposed would be the immense ecological disaster, that the Permian-Triassic Extinction Event would look like a daily life.

There is simply no indication of extinction on that scale.