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Series: Crown of Slaves and Wages of Sin
Post by nhmar   » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:09 am

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I'm confused and even a bit angry. Why must you make this so complicated?

I did a Bing search for Crown of Slaves and was told there are 3 books in the series, in order: Crown of Slaves, Torch of Freedom & Cauldron of Ghosts.

I did an Amazon search for Wages of Sin and was told by Goodreads those 3 books are part of this series.

Wikipedia states they are the part of Wages of Sin.

Finally, Amazon says there are 3 books in the Wages of Sin Series, in order: Bad Blood, Flesh and Blood & Blood, Sweat and Tears.

Help!!!
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Re: Series: Crown of Slaves and Wages of Sin
Post by munroburton   » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:06 am

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There is no Wages of Sin subseries or novels in the Honorverse series.

"The Wages of Sin" is the name of the space station in Crown of Slaves. That name is written on the station's hull on the book cover, which may have caused the confusion(on Goodreads' part, mind you).

The station does not signifcantly feature in the next two novels.
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Re: Series: Crown of Slaves and Wages of Sin
Post by Vince   » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:58 am

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nhmar wrote:I'm confused and even a bit angry. Why must you make this so complicated?

I did a Bing search for Crown of Slaves and was told there are 3 books in the series, in order: Crown of Slaves, Torch of Freedom & Cauldron of Ghosts.

I did an Amazon search for Wages of Sin and was told by Goodreads those 3 books are part of this series.

Wikipedia states they are the part of Wages of Sin.

Finally, Amazon says there are 3 books in the Wages of Sin Series, in order: Bad Blood, Flesh and Blood & Blood, Sweat and Tears.

Help!!!

For your information:

The main Honorverse series (Includes the mainline Honor books, the +Saganami Island+ books, the *Crown of Slaves* books, and the anthologies.)

1. On Basilisk Station (Apr 1992)
2. Honor of the Queen (June 1993)
3. The Short Victorious War (Apr 1994)
4. Field of Dishonor (Dec 1994)
5. Flag In Exile (Sep 1995)
6. Honor Among Enemies (Feb 1996)
7. In Enemy Hands (Jul 1997)
8. More Than Honor (Jan 1998) (Anthology)
9. Echoes of Honor (Oct 1998)
10. Worlds of Honor (Feb 1999) (Anthology)
11. Ashes of Victory (Mar 2000)
12. Changer of Worlds (Mar 2001) (Anthology)
13. War of Honor (Oct 2002)
14. The Service of the Sword (Apr 2003) (Anthology)
15. *Crown of Slaves* (Sep 2003)
16. +The Shadow of Saganami+ (Oct 2004)
17. At All Costs (Nov 2005)
18. +Storm from the Shadows+ (Mar 2009)
19. *Torch of Freedom* (Nov 2009)
20. Mission of Honor (June 2010)
21. In Fire Forged (Feb 2011) (Anthology)
22. A Rising Thunder (Mar 2012)
23. +Shadow of Freedom+ (Mar 2013)
24. House of Steel (May 2013) (Compendium)
Grayson Navy Letters Home (2012) in the Baen Free Short Stories 2012 collection.
25. Beginnings (Jul 2013) (Anthology)
26. *Cauldron of Ghosts* (Apr 2014)
27. +Shadow of Victory+ (Nov 2016)
28. Our Sacred Honor in Infinite Stars (Oct 2017) (Anthology, multiple different authors and series)
29. Uncompromising Honor, Dark Fall? (Forthcoming)

The Star Kingdom series: (Stephanie Harrington & treecats)

0. Honorverse Tech Bu9 (Oct 2011) in the Baen Free Short Stories 2011 collection.
1. A Beautiful Friendship (Oct 2011)
2. Fire Season (Oct 2012)
3. Treecat Wars (Oct 2013)

The Manticore Ascendant series: (Travis Long, very early RMN)

0. A Call to Arms in the Beginnings anthology (July 2013)
1. A Call to Duty (Oct 2014)
2. A Call to Arms (Oct 2015)
3. A Call to Vengeance (Mar 2018)

Baen has a suggested reading order on their site, but you may find publication order a better option:
http://www.baen.com/bookdata/catalog/series/letter/H
Scroll down to the bottom of the Honor Harrington Series and then
Click here to see the reading flow chart for this series.
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Re: Series: Crown of Slaves and Wages of Sin
Post by Donnachaidh   » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:09 am

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I use the stories by internal chronology list on wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorverse#Stories_listed_by_internal_chronology

nhmar wrote:I'm confused and even a bit angry. Why must you make this so complicated?

I did a Bing search for Crown of Slaves and was told there are 3 books in the series, in order: Crown of Slaves, Torch of Freedom & Cauldron of Ghosts.

I did an Amazon search for Wages of Sin and was told by Goodreads those 3 books are part of this series.

Wikipedia states they are the part of Wages of Sin.

Finally, Amazon says there are 3 books in the Wages of Sin Series, in order: Bad Blood, Flesh and Blood & Blood, Sweat and Tears.

Help!!!
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Re: Series: Crown of Slaves and Wages of Sin
Post by kzt   » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:25 am

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Just because wiki says so don’t make it true.
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Re: Series: Crown of Slaves and Wages of Sin
Post by ncwolf   » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:29 am

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nhmar wrote:<snip>
Finally, Amazon says there are 3 books in the Wages of Sin Series, in order: Bad Blood, Flesh and Blood & Blood, Sweat and Tears.

Help!!!


Oxford comma, please. Heh. No clue what the last three are; Blood, Sweat, and Tears were a pretty good band in the '70s and they are (from http://bloodsweatandtears.com) still around, in some form or fashion. But that's not what you were looking.

It just dawned on me that considering how many were killed in the casino, the title of Flint & Weber's novel is ironic since the rest of that phrase from Romans 6:23a is "is death."
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Re: Series: Crown of Slaves and Wages of Sin
Post by Theemile   » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:34 am

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ncwolf wrote:
nhmar wrote:<snip>
Finally, Amazon says there are 3 books in the Wages of Sin Series, in order: Bad Blood, Flesh and Blood & Blood, Sweat and Tears.

Help!!!


Oxford comma, please. Heh. No clue what the last three are; Blood, Sweat, and Tears were a pretty good band in the '70s and they are (from http://bloodsweatandtears.com) still around, in some form or fashion. But that's not what you were looking.

It just dawned on me that considering how many were killed in the casino, the title of Flint & Weber's novel is ironic since the rest of that phrase from Romans 6:23a is "is death."



Not certain, but those could be the titles of the European subbooks of "Crown of Slaves" - European publishers are famous for cutting up David's lengthy books into 2 or 3 smaller books and getting more $$ (or Euros) for the same intellectual property. I ran into the German ones awhile back and got myself all worked up until I figured out what they were.
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Re: Series: Crown of Slaves and Wages of Sin
Post by Weird Harold   » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:56 am

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nhmar wrote:Finally, Amazon says there are 3 books in the Wages of Sin Series, in order: Bad Blood, Flesh and Blood & Blood, Sweat and Tears.


Bad Blood (Wages of Sin Series Book 1) Kindle Edition
by Sophie Smith (Author), Laurencia Hoffman (Author)


Obviously Amazon is referencing an entirely unrelated series (a Vampire/Werewolf mashup, apparently) Amazon doesn't list the Flint/Weber series because "Wages of Sin" is a fan reference-of-convenience because the Torch stories apparently do not have an official series name.

My local library lists them as "honorverse" or "Honorverse novel" under "series"
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Re: Series: Crown of Slaves and Wages of Sin
Post by JohnRoth   » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:54 pm

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nhmar wrote:I'm confused and even a bit angry. Why must you make this so complicated?

I did a Bing search for Crown of Slaves and was told there are 3 books in the series, in order: Crown of Slaves, Torch of Freedom & Cauldron of Ghosts.

I did an Amazon search for Wages of Sin and was told by Goodreads those 3 books are part of this series.

Wikipedia states they are the part of Wages of Sin.

Finally, Amazon says there are 3 books in the Wages of Sin Series, in order: Bad Blood, Flesh and Blood & Blood, Sweat and Tears.

Help!!!


The Torch series is called the Crown of Slaves series in the Honorverse Wikipedia entry. It has never been called "Wages of Sin." Whoever gave you the notion that there is an Honorverse series called "Wages of Sin" is simply wrong.

Most fans consider the mainline series, the misnamed Saganami Island sub-series (It should be the Talbott sub-series), the Torch series and the anthologies to be one series, and recommend a first-time read in publication order. A lot of fans prefer reading in timeline order when they're re-reading the series.
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Re: Series: Crown of Slaves and Wages of Sin
Post by Theemile   » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:17 pm

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JohnRoth wrote:
nhmar wrote:I'm confused and even a bit angry. Why must you make this so complicated?

I did a Bing search for Crown of Slaves and was told there are 3 books in the series, in order: Crown of Slaves, Torch of Freedom & Cauldron of Ghosts.

I did an Amazon search for Wages of Sin and was told by Goodreads those 3 books are part of this series.

Wikipedia states they are the part of Wages of Sin.

Finally, Amazon says there are 3 books in the Wages of Sin Series, in order: Bad Blood, Flesh and Blood & Blood, Sweat and Tears.



Help!!!


The Torch series is called the Crown of Slaves series in the Honorverse Wikipedia entry. It has never been called "Wages of Sin." Whoever gave you the notion that there is an Honorverse series called "Wages of Sin" is simply wrong.

Most fans consider the mainline series, the misnamed Saganami Island sub-series (It should be the Talbott sub-series), the Torch series and the anthologies to be one series, and recommend a first-time read in publication order. A lot of fans prefer reading in timeline order when they're re-reading the series.


Right or wrong, It's called Wages of Sin series on Amazon
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