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Post by packhunter   » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:03 pm

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I could of sworn that I read the scene of when the SLN invaded beowulf and failed. I was expecting this in SoV. It wasn't there. Does anybody else remember this? It went smething like:

I seem to recal the manticoran fleet was at the junction while the beowulf fleet was around the planet. This was to prevent any semblance of interferance during the vote to leave the SL. Then the SLN fleet, a couple hundred strong came screaming over the hyper limit max acell to get to the planet. Bewulf's fleet moved to engage but died defending their infrastructure. While the manty fleet microjumped behind the SLN and killied them before they finished destroying everything.

Was this posted somewhere or am i crazy?
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Re: Beowulf forgotten snippets
Post by ksandgren   » Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:17 pm

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This has been postulated in general by both sides in A Rising Thunder and Shadow of Freedom and in detail by several posters on this forum, but has not appeared as a post or snippet from the author.
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Re: Beowulf forgotten snippets
Post by Jonathan_S   » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:07 pm

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ksandgren wrote:This has been postulated in general by both sides in A Rising Thunder and Shadow of Freedom and in detail by several posters on this forum, but has not appeared as a post or snippet from the author.

I belive RFC was the one who pointed out that even an RMN force out by the terminus could microjump in behind a SLN and use Apollo to destroy them long before the SLN force could reach Beowulf. (Of course he's also the one who mentioned to expect a large death toll at Beowulf).

But that was an explanation of how a RMN response might go. The closest we've seen to anything actual was the very very brief passing mention in SoV e-ARC that it didn't go well.
Shadow of Victory Sh. 59 wrote:“We’re not hearing anything like this from the Core Worlds—aside from the damned Beowulfers, anyway!” he replied. “And most of these declarations are coming from star systems that don’t have the military wherewithal of Beowulf.”
“Are you suggesting we send task forces to pound them into submission?” Quartermain asked. “Doesn’t seem to’ve worked out very well in Beowulf’s case, does it?”
But there's a chance that might have been referring to the standoff by the wormhole (part of Raging Justice) - rather than the proposed anti-annexation move...
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Re: Beowulf forgotten snippets
Post by packhunter   » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:19 pm

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So crazy it is
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Re: Beowulf forgotten snippets
Post by jdtinIA   » Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:47 pm

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Jonathon, I thought that was a reference to the attempt to "reinforce" Filerata via the Wormhole. Hadn't considered that it might mean the SL had moved on Beowolf already.
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Re: Beowulf forgotten snippets
Post by Jonathan_S   » Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:14 pm

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jdtinIA wrote:Jonathon, I thought that was a reference to the attempt to "reinforce" Filerata via the Wormhole. Hadn't considered that it might mean the SL had moved on Beowolf already.
I no longer think that it might have been referring to a follow SL move.

In another thread I spent more time looking at the timeline and that snippet I quoted happens only a month after the attempt to "reinforce" Filerata - and roughly the same time as the vote against Beowulf in the League Assembly.


So Looked at in fuller context and timeline (and even at the broader surrounding text) I'm now convinced that it was a reference to the standoff with Tsang at the wormhole.
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Re: Beowulf forgotten snippets
Post by Weird Harold   » Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:16 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:In another thread I spent more time looking at the timeline and that snippet I quoted happens only a month after the attempt to "reinforce" Filerata - and roughly the same time as the vote against Beowulf in the League Assembly.


You need to adjust your timeline: Tsang's attempt to "reinforce" Filareta is at least ten weeks before Beowulf's plebiscite. "Only a month after" would leave at least six weeks before the vote.
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Re: Beowulf forgotten snippets
Post by Jonathan_S   » Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:08 pm

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Weird Harold wrote:
Jonathan_S wrote:In another thread I spent more time looking at the timeline and that snippet I quoted happens only a month after the attempt to "reinforce" Filerata - and roughly the same time as the vote against Beowulf in the League Assembly.


You need to adjust your timeline: Tsang's attempt to "reinforce" Filareta is at least ten weeks before Beowulf's plebiscite. "Only a month after" would leave at least six weeks before the vote.

Ok, that's not how I parsed the information from A Rising Thunder.

Chapter 12 = JUNE 1922 POST DIASPORA
Chapter 14 has Tsang in Beowulf communicating with their government.
Chapter 29 = JULY 1922 POST DIASPORA
Chapter 32 has the League Assembly vote about Beowulf

ART has no mention of August 1922; so I assumed chapters 29 - 35 were all in July. And that Chapter 14 must occur in June... Is there a reference elsewhere I missed that put the vote later than July?
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Post by Weird Harold   » Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:43 pm

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Jonathan_S wrote:Ok, that's not how I parsed the information from A Rising Thunder.

Chapter 12 = JUNE 1922 POST DIASPORA
Chapter 14 has Tsang in Beowulf communicating with their government.
Chapter 29 = JULY 1922 POST DIASPORA
Chapter 32 has the League Assembly vote about Beowulf


I posted the deductions on another thread with quotes. It did NOT include Tsang's abortive attempt to transit the Beowulf terminus.

From the designation of the resolution, it was opened for two weeks debate on 02 July 1922. Given the lag for communications, Tsang had to have tried to transit sometime in June; probably the third week of June.

After the full two weeks of debate, the vote to investigate Beowulf came on 16 July 1922.

Immediately after the Vote, Beowulf's representative announced that the Plebiscite would happen "two months from today" -- or 16 September 1922.

That's two weeks of debate plus two months delay to organize the Plebiscite plus any information lag or at least ten weeks between Tsang's attempt to transit and the Beowulf secession plebiscite.

The only alternative conclusion would be if the 02 July 22 date in the resolution number was the date to take a vote, which would push everything back two weeks to 02 Sep 22, but I consider that a really doubtful assumption.
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Re: Beowulf forgotten snippets
Post by Jonathan_S   » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:55 am

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Weird Harold wrote:
Jonathan_S wrote:Ok, that's not how I parsed the information from A Rising Thunder.

Chapter 12 = JUNE 1922 POST DIASPORA
Chapter 14 has Tsang in Beowulf communicating with their government.
Chapter 29 = JULY 1922 POST DIASPORA
Chapter 32 has the League Assembly vote about Beowulf


I posted the deductions on another thread with quotes. It did NOT include Tsang's abortive attempt to transit the Beowulf terminus.

From the designation of the resolution, it was opened for two weeks debate on 02 July 1922. Given the lag for communications, Tsang had to have tried to transit sometime in June; probably the third week of June.

After the full two weeks of debate, the vote to investigate Beowulf came on 16 July 1922.
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Immediately after the Vote, Beowulf's representative announced that the Plebiscite would happen "two months from today" -- or 16 September 1922.

That's two weeks of debate plus two months delay to organize the Plebiscite plus any information lag or at least ten weeks between Tsang's attempt to transit and the Beowulf secession plebiscite.

The only alternative conclusion would be if the 02 July 22 date in the resolution number was the date to take a vote, which would push everything back two weeks to 02 Sep 22, but I consider that a really doubtful assumption.
Oh I now see I read you last post too quickly and didn't realize we were talking about two different votes :o. My original post wasn't talking about the plebiscite vote; only the vote in the League Assembly. I was saying that one (which you peg as 16 July 1922) was roughly the same time as the August 1922 PD discussion in SoV about how pounding Beowulf didn't work out well (and therefore that discussion pretty much had to be about Tsang and not some 2nd intervention). Mid-July vs sometime in August is arguably "roughly" the same time; especially with the time lag from Beowulf to Earth.

The fact that the plebiscite was still another month or so away wasn't something I was trying to touch on. If I'd been a liitle less rushed responding to your prior post I'd have realized then we weren't taking about the same vote. Sorry about that.
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