Effects of gas giants on a star system's hyper limit...

Questions!

Do gas giants have an effect on a star system's hyper limit? If so, how? If not, why?

The reason I'm asking this is that it seems that in the Honorverse, depending on the stellar class, most star systems' hyper limit seem to lie inside where the orbit of most gas giants would be.

We know that Jupiter's mass is about 1/1000th that of the Sun - that's quite a significant influence, I'd think. We also know that there are gas giants out there that are many times the size and mass of Jupiter.

And since the hyper limit is determined by its particular star's mass (and therefor gravity), I'd think that really massive gas giants would have some effect on the hyper limit.

NS! I know that Mr Weber has chosen for gas giants not to have an effect - it is his story and universe after all. But what I'm really trying to do here is determine whether gas giants would have any impact on a star's hyper limit if we hypothesized that such a thing as hyper space existed in the real universe.

Large enough gas giants generate their own hyper limit independent of the star's hyper limit. For example, Uriel (the planet that Blackbird Base orbits around) generates a hyper limit of nearly 5 light minutes.

Duckk wrote:Large enough gas giants generate their own hyper limit independent of the star's hyper limit. For example, Uriel (the planet that Blackbird Base orbits around) generates a hyper limit of nearly 5 light minutes.

Duckk, next time I have a question of a scientific/technical nature, I'll just PM you and let you post the question on my behalf, I think. Compared to your succinct answer, my question was a convoluted disgrace.

Thank you. That is precisely what I wanted to know.

A related question. Would a gas giant create a resonance zone just like the wormhole termini do? Or if they are close enough to overlap, do they just perturb the star's hyper-limit?

KNick wrote:A related question. Would a gas giant create a resonance zone just like the wormhole termini do? Or if they are close enough to overlap, do they just perturb the star's hyper-limit?

That's a very interesting question. From what the astronomers have discovered over the last decade or so, we know that some really massive gas giants orbit very close to their stars - far closer than Sol's asteroid belt, in fact, which I gather is more or less at the distance that a G2 star's hyper limit would be in the Honorverse.

So in the Honorverse, what effect would such a super-Jupiter gas giant inside a star system's hyper limit have on the hyper limit if its mass is added to that of its star?

Very nice question, KNick.

hanuman wrote:

KNick wrote:A related question. Would a gas giant create a resonance zone just like the wormhole termini do? Or if they are close enough to overlap, do they just perturb the star's hyper-limit?

That's a very interesting question. From what the astronomers have discovered over the last decade or so, we know that some really massive gas giants orbit very close to their stars - far closer than Sol's asteroid belt, in fact, which I gather is more or less at the distance that a G2 star's hyper limit would be in the Honorverse.

So in the Honorverse, what effect would such a super-Jupiter gas giant inside a star system's hyper limit have on the hyper limit if its mass is added to that of its star?

Very nice question, KNick.

More than that there is a exo-solar system that has IIRC 4 jovian plus sized planets (1.5 to 5x) that orbit the star from est. 30 mill miles to about 100 mill miles.

saber964 wrote:More than that there is a exo-solar system that has IIRC 4 jovian plus sized planets (1.5 to 5x) that orbit the star from est. 30 mill miles to about 100 mill miles.

Freaking hell!!!

I think the term I'm looking for is 'conjunction'? I might be wrong - I'm talking about when two or more planets/moons are lined up with each other.

Now, when those gas giants are in conjunction (in the Honorverse), their combined gravitational pull(?)/effect(?) together with that of their star should have one helluva impact on that star system's hyper limit. I wonder, would it create a kind of bulge in the hyper limit?

hanuman wrote:That's a very interesting question. From what the astronomers have discovered over the last decade or so, we know that some really massive gas giants orbit very close to their stars - far closer than Sol's asteroid belt, in fact, which I gather is more or less at the distance that a G2 star's hyper limit would be in the Honorverse.

So in the Honorverse, what effect would such a super-Jupiter gas giant inside a star system's hyper limit have on the hyper limit if its mass is added to that of its star?

Very nice question, KNick.

Does anybody happen to know how close binary stars can orbit each other? If they can get within 30 lm or so that should make for a weird and varied hyper limit.

Jonathan_S wrote:

hanuman wrote:That's a very interesting question. From what the astronomers have discovered over the last decade or so, we know that some really massive gas giants orbit very close to their stars - far closer than Sol's asteroid belt, in fact, which I gather is more or less at the distance that a G2 star's hyper limit would be in the Honorverse.

So in the Honorverse, what effect would such a super-Jupiter gas giant inside a star system's hyper limit have on the hyper limit if its mass is added to that of its star?

Very nice question, KNick.

Does anybody happen to know how close binary stars can orbit each other? If they can get within 30 lm or so that should make for a weird and varied hyper limit.

Well, considering that they think they have found a red giant with a Neutron Star actually inside of it, I doubt there is any limit to how close stars can be.

crewdude48 wrote:

Jonathan_S wrote:Does anybody happen to know how close binary stars can orbit each other? If they can get within 30 lm or so that should make for a weird and varied hyper limit.

Well, considering that they think they have found a red giant with a Neutron Star actually inside of it, I doubt there is any limit to how close stars can be.

I can't find the article now, but some months ago I read an article on space.com about one star absorbing the stellar material of another star when the two drifted too close together. I suspect that's the usual outcome, since neutrino stars are so rare (relatively speaking, of course).