Of Mike and Mesa

n7axw wrote:
I'm curious... We know that Mike is coming although we don't know that she gets there first. With this scenario, what happens when Mike arrives?

Don

Fun with MDMs?

If the RoMN came in to save the civilians (and secure things), then when the RMN shows up, they can help the RoMN with securing Mesa. And you could have all kinds of fun with the race for evidence.

n7axw wrote:I'm curious... We know that Mike is coming although we don't know that she gets there first. With this scenario, what happens when Mike arrives?
Don

Considering that 10th fleet has enought troops to secure a town of the size of Albuquerque, leaving some major issues for the other few billion inhabitants, one would expect they would work together.

kzt wrote:

n7axw wrote:I'm curious... We know that Mike is coming although we don't know that she gets there first. With this scenario, what happens when Mike arrives?
Don

Considering that 10th fleet has enought troops to secure a town of the size of Albuquerque, leaving some major issues for the other few billion inhabitants, one would expect they would work together.

If I'm reading it right, the question is, if the MSDF got there first, then Henke shows up, what would happen?

I don't think it would be a mutual assist plan. It would be more like. "Step aside, thanks but no thanks" These a--holes killed more than 5 million of our civvies, and have caused the deaths of a couple million more of our Naval personnel, not counting the millions of deaths AND genetic slavery. We'll be doing this ourselves, thank you very much."

SharkHunter wrote:Commented on another thread, but how is the Mannerheim SDF supposed to have known in time to arrive, and b) why would General Drescher ask for Palane to offer a cease fire? vs. Helen Zilwicki and Michael Oversteegen who have both met Thandi and have a proprietary reason for keeping her alive? aka Berry Zilwicki, Queen of Torch.

kzt wrote:They are at the other end of a WH. This has been going on for a while. It's not like setting off a megaton yield KE in the city won't have been noticed by everyone on the entire planet.

And the reason to stop is that the entire situation was a slowly unfolding disaster, and it isn't hard to imagine that anyone sending in a fleet is probably not terribly thrilled about the entire situation.

Bill Woods wrote:They're on the other end a wormhole, but not Mesa's wormhole. We still don't know where Mannerheim is or how long to takes to get there.

It took Detweiller approximately two weeks to get from the conference on Mannerheim back to Mesa, but he was using a streak drive enabled ship and possibly the Felix junction, neither of which are available to the Mannerheim SDF. (Remember that Mannerheim wants to keep the existence of the Felix junction secret.)

Bill Woods wrote:It's a disaster, but most people people on Mannerheim are going to be saying, "it isn't our disaster! When the whole League is about to go up in flames, why are we sending our fleet off to get involved in this?"

Mannerheim is also officially against the genetic slave trade, which is another reason why they wouldn't lift a finger to help Mesa.

SharkHunter wrote:"Kizarvexis"]I had an evil thought. The Republic of Mannerheim has one of the larger SDFs. RoM is a part of the MAlign. What if Detweiler sent the RMN (Rep. of Mannerheim Navy) to secure the MESA system due to the undeclared terrorist war by the Audubon Ballroom. The RMN convinces the Mesan government to declare a cease fire while coming into orbit or else. Since interstellar law has that once a fleet holds the orbitals, the planet is required to surrender or suffer KEW strikes. The Mesan government has first hand experience with those, so surrenders. Then the RMN can make sure that nothing got left behind while securing the evidence of the atrocities of the Ballroom.

Commented on another thread, but a) how is the Mannerheim SDF supposed to have known in time to arrive (travel time to/from besides the wormholes), and b)if it was the MSDF, why would General Drescher ask for Palane to offer a cease fire? vs. Helen Zilwicki and Michael Oversteegen who have both met Thandi and have a proprietary reason for keeping her alive? aka Berry Zilwicki, Queen of Torch.

Bottom line for me: 10th Fleet captured Mesa.[/quote]


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That IS an evil thought for story line tactics, especially since, although "We, the readers" know that Mannerheim is part of the RA, the rest of the universe doesn't.
This would require Mannerheim to be in the elsewhere discussed very small minority of SDF's that have SD's as their largest capital ships. Thus far the only textev is BC's. (there's always tum te tum tum)

That said, I believe the 20+ SD-sized ships that crossed the Mesan alpha-wall in CofG were either Michelle and 10th Fleet or Chien Lu Andermann and an Andie task force.
In either case the other is likely arriving soon.

-- Stewart

Kizarvexis wrote:I had an evil thought. The Republic of Mannerheim has one of the larger SDFs. RoM is a part of the MAlign. What if Detweiler sent the RMN (Rep. of Mannerheim Navy) to secure the MESA system due to the undeclared terrorist war by the Audubon Ballroom. The RMN convinces the Mesan government to declare a cease fire while coming into orbit or else. Since interstellar law has that once a fleet holds the orbitals, the planet is required to surrender or suffer KEW strikes. The Mesan government has first hand experience with those, so surrenders. Then the RMN can make sure that nothing got left behind while securing the evidence of the atrocities of the Ballroom.

SharkHunter wrote:Commented on another thread, but a) how is the Mannerheim SDF supposed to have known in time to arrive (travel time to/from besides the wormholes), and b)if it was the MSDF, why would General Drescher ask for Palane to offer a cease fire? vs. Helen Zilwicki and Michael Oversteegen who have both met Thandi and have a proprietary reason for keeping her alive? aka Berry Zilwicki, Queen of Torch.

Bottom line for me: 10th Fleet captured Mesa.

SWM wrote:Um, Mesa knew that Palane, Zilwicki, and Cachat were inside the tower. The word had spread all through the Seccie sectors, and the information had also gotten to the Mesan Government. The rumor that the great Palane, who had a huge reputation among the slaves and seccies, was actually on Mesa fighting for them was huge news. In fact, the rebels used her reputation to boost the morale of the rebel forces and attract more seccie sectors into rebellion. Drescher did not get the information from whoever just came into the system--the Mesan government had known for weeks.

They didn't know about Zilwiki, and he wasn't in the tower anyway. He and Yana were operating independently. Also, nobody else was actively rebelling yet; that was a fear they had that it would start fairly quickly once the security forces had ground themselves into hamburger trying to take the tower.

JohnRoth wrote:

SWM wrote:Um, Mesa knew that Palane, Zilwicki, and Cachat were inside the tower. The word had spread all through the Seccie sectors, and the information had also gotten to the Mesan Government. The rumor that the great Palane, who had a huge reputation among the slaves and seccies, was actually on Mesa fighting for them was huge news. In fact, the rebels used her reputation to boost the morale of the rebel forces and attract more seccie sectors into rebellion. Drescher did not get the information from whoever just came into the system--the Mesan government had known for weeks.

They didn't know about Zilwiki, and he wasn't in the tower anyway. He and Yana were operating independently. Also, nobody else was actively rebelling yet; that was a fear they had that it would start fairly quickly once the security forces had ground themselves into hamburger trying to take the tower.

There was a little action elsewhere, though nobody was eager to attract the sort of attention Hancock and Neue Rostock have received.

There were already signs, [Drescher] thought grimly. There'd been incidents in Detweiler City. Nothing like Hancock or Neue Rostock—not yet. But there'd been no OPS or MISD sweeps in Detweiler, either. That meant the incidents had all come from the seccies' side, and that was scary as hell.

Just a minor nit: I don't think Zilwicke was in the tower. He had gone back to Manticore looking for help.

Don

SharkHunter wrote:I don't think it would be a mutual assist plan. It would be more like. "Step aside, thanks but no thanks" These a--holes killed more than 5 million of our civvies, and have caused the deaths of a couple million more of our Naval personnel, not counting the millions of deaths AND genetic slavery. We'll be doing this ourselves, thank you very much."

"Sure, well withdraw our 4 million peacekeeping troops. Have fun with your 8,000 marines. I'm sure you can use kiloton scale KEWs to break up the lynch mobs we've been stopping with mass arrests. By the way,have you met Audrey O’Hanrahan?"

kzt wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:I don't think it would be a mutual assist plan. It would be more like. "Step aside, thanks but no thanks" These a--holes killed more than 5 million of our civvies, and have caused the deaths of a couple million more of our Naval personnel, not counting the millions of deaths AND genetic slavery. We'll be doing this ourselves, thank you very much."

"Sure, well withdraw our 4 million peacekeeping troops. Have fun with your 8,000 marines. I'm sure you can use kiloton scale KEWs to break up the lynch mobs we've been stopping with mass arrests. By the way,have you met Audrey O’Hanrahan?"

And the MSDF conjecturally has brought 4 million peacekeeping troops how? And the lynch mobs are started up how? Keep in mind that if the MSDF was there it would make things WORSE not better, because the slaves and secce(s) aren't going to accept anyone without Palane's say so, and Palane won't say anything positive to anyone not backing Torch.

I'm not worried about the conjectural MSDF arrival anyway, because the MSDF coming can only be linked to knowledge of what is happening on Mesa, thus exposing them as MAlign, witting or not. So I'm dead sure that it's 10th fleet. Meaning that parts of the MSDF arriving shortly thereafter could make things interesting in the "what are you doing here?" sense...