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Re: Honor: Pimp My Ride
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:23 pm

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tlb wrote:
TFLYTSNBN wrote:I know of a certain NAMELESSFLY who provoked much consternation and a somewhat snarky reply from David Weber by questioning how the MALIGN ghost ships could be stealthy when using fusion rockets for their initial manauvers. The highly intelligent NAMELESSFLY actually embraced the name bestowed upon him by Weber.

What specifically do you mean by a "fusion Rocket"? Everything bigger than a LAC is fusion powered; but those words suggest a plasma thruster with a fusion energy source to me. Since that would be a nuclear flare, it would definitely not be stealthy.

PS. Just a little bit of self congratulation, perhaps?



And well deserved?
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Re: Honor: Pimp My Ride
Post by tlb   » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:34 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:I know of a certain NAMELESSFLY who provoked much consternation and a somewhat snarky reply from David Weber by questioning how the MALIGN ghost ships could be stealthy when using fusion rockets for their initial manauvers. The highly intelligent NAMELESSFLY actually embraced the name bestowed upon him by Weber.

tlb wrote:What specifically do you mean by a "fusion Rocket"? Everything bigger than a LAC is fusion powered; but those words suggest a plasma thruster with a fusion energy source to me. Since that would be a nuclear flare, it would definitely not be stealthy.

PS. Just a little bit of self congratulation, perhaps?

TFLYTSNBN wrote:And well deserved?

I don't know until you tell me about this "fusion rocket". Also what initial maneuvers?
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Re: Honor: Pimp My Ride
Post by TFLYTSNBN   » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:55 pm

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Theemile wrote:
tlb wrote:



What specifically do you mean by a "fusion Rocket"? Everything bigger than a LAC is fusion powered; but those words suggest a plasma thruster with a fusion energy source to me. Since that would be a nuclear flare, it would definitely not be stealthy.

PS. Just a little bit of self congratulation, perhaps?


Didn't the text state the Ghosts used a strap on cold thrust system to exit the freighters, not their fusion thrusters?


What is a "cold thrust" system? What is the Specific Impulse and exhaust temperature?
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Re: Honor: Pimp My Ride
Post by tlb   » Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:31 pm

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tlb wrote:What specifically do you mean by a "fusion Rocket"? Everything bigger than a LAC is fusion powered; but those words suggest a plasma thruster with a fusion energy source to me. Since that would be a nuclear flare, it would definitely not be stealthy.

PS. Just a little bit of self congratulation, perhaps?

Theemile wrote:Didn't the text state the Ghosts used a strap on cold thrust system to exit the freighters, not their fusion thrusters?

TFLYTSNBN wrote:What is a "cold thrust" system? What is the Specific Impulse and exhaust temperature?

From Storm from the Shadows, chapter 48:
"Yes, Sir." Masters looked at his astrogator and helmsman. "Take us out," he said simply, and Chameleon twitched ever so gently as the web of tractor and pressor beams which had held her exactly centered in the freighter Wallaby's cavernous Number Two hold were switched off at last.
A gentle puff of compressed air from the specially modified thruster packs strapped to her bow sent her drifting backward, without the pyrotechnics of her normal fusion-powered thrusters. That would have been . . . contraindicated inside a ship, Østby thought dryly while he watched the visual display as the hold's bulkheads went sliding by.
It was the first time they'd made an actual combat deployment, but Østby's captains and crews had practiced this same maneuver dozens of times before ever leaving the Mesa System. He had no concern at all about this part of the mission, and his mind strayed ahead to the rest of the mission.
No point worrying about any of that yet, he told himself firmly. Not even if you and Topolev did draw the harder target. But at least you didn't have quite as far to go as Colenso and Sung just to get to your objective. Sung won't even be deploying for another week!
The deployment maneuver took quite a while, but no one was in a tearing hurry, and no one wanted to risk a last-minute, potentially catastrophic accident. Wallaby had made her alpha translation thirty minutes ago, and she was still several hours away from the wormhole junction she'd ostensibly come here to transit. At this range, even a fully conventional ship Chameleon's size would almost certainly have been invisible even to Manticoran sensor arrays (assuming its skipper was smart enough not to bring up his wedge, at any rate). Not that anyone intended to take any chances.
Chameleon slid completely free of Wallaby, like an Old Earth shark sliding tail-first from its mother's womb, and the modified packs fell away as the jettisoning charges blew. They disappeared quickly into the Stygian gloom—this far out from the system primary, even the star gleam on Chameleon's own flanks was scarcely visible—and Østby continued to watch the visual display as the running light constellations bejeweling the clifflike immensity of the freighter's mammoth hull drew steadily away from them.
"Confirm clean separation, Sir," Masters' astrogator announced.
"Very good. Communications, do we have contact with the rest of the squadron?"
"Yes, Sir. Ghost just plugged into the net. Telemetry is up and nominal."
"Very good," Masters repeated, and looked at his executive officer. "Take us into stealth and bring up the spider, Chris," he said.


If they have pressor beams, then why weren't those used?
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Re: Honor: Pimp My Ride
Post by Jonathan_S   » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:03 pm

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tlb wrote:If they have pressor beams, then why weren't those used?

Well we don't know how well tractor-pressor devices obey Newton, so a small ship pressing against a big ship might not actually push itself backwards.
And the freighter might not have had tractor-pressor devices of it's own mounted in the modified cargo bay.
Also those are seem to be gravity based devices, so they might create a FTL signal along the alpha wall that Manticore's exquisitely sensitive system grav arrays could detect - no reason to risk the RMN stopping by to investigate why you seem to be pushing heavy cargo around while on approach to the Manticoran Binary System.
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Re: Honor: Pimp My Ride
Post by tlb   » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:21 pm

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tlb wrote:If they have pressor beams, then why weren't those used?

Jonathan_S wrote:Well we don't know how well tractor-pressor devices obey Newton, so a small ship pressing against a big ship might not actually push itself backwards.
And the freighter might not have had tractor-pressor devices of it's own mounted in the modified cargo bay.
Also those are seem to be gravity based devices, so they might create a FTL signal along the alpha wall that Manticore's exquisitely sensitive system grav arrays could detect - no reason to risk the RMN stopping by to investigate why you seem to be pushing heavy cargo around while on approach to the Manticoran Binary System.

Except pressor beams were being used (end of second sentence in quoted text): " Chameleon twitched ever so gently as the web of tractor and pressor beams which had held her exactly centered in the freighter Wallaby's cavernous Number Two hold were switched off at last". So conceivably the cargo ship could have ejected the Ghost scouts with them.
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Re: Honor: Pimp My Ride
Post by Theemile   » Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:04 pm

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TFLYTSNBN wrote:
Theemile wrote:
Didn't the text state the Ghosts used a strap on cold thrust system to exit the freighters, not their fusion thrusters?


What is a "cold thrust" system? What is the Specific Impulse and exhaust temperature?


A flask of compressed gas and a vacuum venturi nozzle. The specific impulse sux and the exhaust temperature is low (compared to chemical rockets, that is. Depending on the chemical, it's still probably ~150 Kelvin). You can always get more thrust from such a system by compressing the stored gas more prior to the exhaust, but that by definition just heats up the exhaust gas more, or by some mechanism heating the gas just prior to exhaust, accomplishing the same thing.
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RFC said "refitting a Beowulfan SD to Manticoran standards would be just as difficult as refitting a standard SLN SD to those standards. In other words, it would be cheaper and faster to build new ships."
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Re: Honor: Pimp My Ride
Post by cthia   » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:05 am

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OMG, I just thought of something.

If we are going to pimp Honor's ride, we're going to have to pimp her pinnace and shuttle too. Can you imagine Honor in civilian clothes attacking some objective in a souped-up pinnace or shuttle? LOL

Now that Honor has learned to control her finger w/o insulting anyone :lol: she can wear gloves with mini pistols as fingers. As part of a Batgirl-like latex skinsuit that glistens like a Salamander. :D :o :lol:

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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