Power Cupid Question Hour

SharkHunter wrote:

drothgery wrote:Erm... there's Word of Weber that Sarnow is
1) Married and 2) Gay.

Any textev or Pearl or other on that? If so zero fun on this thread.

Johnathan_S wrote:I don't think it made it into the Pearls, but here's a link to his (lengthy) post that includes those tidbits.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4508&p=112492&hilit=Sarnow+husband#p112492

Or, if you prefer, here are the tidbits (I bolded the key parts) themselves

runsforcelery wrote:As for nitpicking over issues like "man and wife," that is a choice to be made by the couple involved in the marriage. Manticore has no problem with "husband and wife" or even "man and woman," or for that matter "husband and husband." (Although, again, I don't think it's ever been expressly stated in the novels, Admiral Sarnow is gay, and when it is mentioned in Allison Harrington's thoughts that bisexuality is part of the Grayson social matrix because of the numbers of wives who have to share a single husband, I sort of assumed that the tenor of her thoughts made it fairly clear that she thought it was a ridiculous thing to worry about, that Sphinx was more "straightlaced" (one might even say a tad reactionary) in that sense than Manticore (the planet) or Beowulf (that is, there are planetary cultural differences), and that as soon as the thought occurs to her she realizes that Honor — the quintessential Sphinxian — would never have been concerned about it one way or the other. Have I deliberately crafted a homosexual relationship and brought it center stage to show my enlightenment? No. I haven't seen any reason I ought to have done so. My purpose in writing these books is not to espouse ironclad social or cultural principles which I think ought to apply. I am not myself homosexual and have never had any desire to be so, that does not mean that I do not have any friends who are. If it were germane to this story to tell you that someone is homosexual, I would undoubtedly do so. It has not been germane in, for example the case of Sarnow, because you have never met the male individual to whom he is married and so it has never been germane to the story line.

cthia wrote:Well howdy doody. What have we here? Open the door a little and life will kick it in. This means that the ship hasn't sailed on the possibility of a melding of mushes, er bushes. Go Shannon and Sonja! We all know how 'au naturel' female/female love is. It's sooooo ahhhhhhhh!

'Course, this opens up for some interesting questions.
1. How much faster will the Keys spinning in their graves in apoplexy over certain revelations now power the planet?

2. What would be the treecat name for someone so enlightened as Sarnow?

3. Would said enlightenment have an effect on the palatable taste of a treecat for such a mindglow?

****** *

NPFP! NPFP! (No pitchforks please.)

I commend RFC for his views and I concur wholeheartedly. Why should love be denied to anyone? I am also uninterested in another man in that fashion, but I also have a few friends whose lifestyle does, yet have remained amongst my most cherished and decent friends. I just personally like the love of a woman. They have more to soothe, this savage beast, in the way of bounty.

However, I can understand the appeal if one's heart does for them as a woman's does for me. (And there would be the added benefit, or lack thereof, of monthly mood swings.)

Having said that. And purely from a scientific perspective...

4. In my limited understanding of homosexuality, as I understand it, choice is not available to most because of a genetic predisposition from a possible hormonal imbalance.

Strictly from a scientific perspective. Wouldn't certain options be available in the genetically conquered Honorverse to prevent certain type births occurring? Especially since most births are tubed?

Again. Purely as a scientific interest!

SharkHunter wrote:

drothgery wrote:Erm... there's Word of Weber that Sarnow is
1) Married and 2) Gay.

Any textev or Pearl or other on that? If so zero fun on this thread.

Johnathan_S wrote:I don't think it made it into the Pearls, but here's a link to his (lengthy) post that includes those tidbits.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4508&p=112492&hilit=Sarnow+husband#p112492

Or, if you prefer, here are the tidbits (I bolded the key parts) themselves

runsforcelery wrote:As for nitpicking over issues like "man and wife," that is a choice to be made by the couple involved in the marriage. Manticore has no problem with "husband and wife" or even "man and woman," or for that matter "husband and husband." (Although, again, I don't think it's ever been expressly stated in the novels, Admiral Sarnow is gay, and when it is mentioned in Allison Harrington's thoughts that bisexuality is part of the Grayson social matrix because of the numbers of wives who have to share a single husband, I sort of assumed that the tenor of her thoughts made it fairly clear that she thought it was a ridiculous thing to worry about, that Sphinx was more "straightlaced" (one might even say a tad reactionary) in that sense than Manticore (the planet) or Beowulf (that is, there are planetary cultural differences), and that as soon as the thought occurs to her she realizes that Honor — the quintessential Sphinxian — would never have been concerned about it one way or the other. Have I deliberately crafted a homosexual relationship and brought it center stage to show my enlightenment? No. I haven't seen any reason I ought to have done so. My purpose in writing these books is not to espouse ironclad social or cultural principles which I think ought to apply. I am not myself homosexual and have never had any desire to be so, that does not mean that I do not have any friends who are. If it were germane to this story to tell you that someone is homosexual, I would undoubtedly do so. It has not been germane in, for example the case of Sarnow, because you have never met the male individual to whom he is married and so it has never been germane to the story line.

cthia wrote:Well howdy doody. What have we here? Open the door a little and life will kick it in. This means that the ship hasn't sailed on the possibility of a melding of mushes, er bushes. Go Shannon and Sonja! We all know how 'au naturel' female/female love is. It's sooooo ahhhhhhhh!

'Course, this opens up for some interesting questions.
1. How much faster will the Keys spinning in their graves in apoplexy over certain revelations now power the planet?

2. What would be the treecat name for someone so enlightened as Sarnow?

3. Would said enlightenment have an effect on the palatable taste of a treecat for such a mindglow?

****** *

NPFP! NPFP! (No pitchforks please.)

I commend RFC for his views and I concur wholeheartedly. Why should love be denied to anyone? I am also uninterested in another man in that fashion, but I also have a few friends whose lifestyle does, yet have remained amongst my most cherished and decent friends. I just personally like the love of a woman. They have more to soothe, this savage beast, in the way of bounty.

However, I can understand the appeal if one's heart does for them as a woman's does for me. (And there would be the added benefit, or lack thereof, of monthly mood swings.)

Having said that. And purely from a scientific perspective...

4. In my limited understanding of homosexuality, as I understand it, choice is not available to most because of a genetic predisposition from a possible hormonal imbalance.

Strictly from a scientific perspective. Wouldn't certain options be available in the genetically conquered Honorverse to prevent certain type births occurring? Especially since most births are tubed?

Again. Purely as a scientific interest!
My apologies in advance, if this post has or does offend.

I assure you, it is not my intention.

SharkHunter wrote:

drothgery wrote:Erm... there's Word of Weber that Sarnow is
1) Married and 2) Gay.

Any textev or Pearl or other on that? If so zero fun on this thread.

Johnathan_S wrote:I don't think it made it into the Pearls, but here's a link to his (lengthy) post that includes those tidbits.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4508&p=112492&hilit=Sarnow+husband#p112492

Or, if you prefer, here are the tidbits (I bolded the key parts) themselves

runsforcelery wrote:As for nitpicking over issues like "man and wife," that is a choice to be made by the couple involved in the marriage. Manticore has no problem with "husband and wife" or even "man and woman," or for that matter "husband and husband." (Although, again, I don't think it's ever been expressly stated in the novels, Admiral Sarnow is gay, and when it is mentioned in Allison Harrington's thoughts that bisexuality is part of the Grayson social matrix because of the numbers of wives who have to share a single husband, I sort of assumed that the tenor of her thoughts made it fairly clear that she thought it was a ridiculous thing to worry about, that Sphinx was more "straightlaced" (one might even say a tad reactionary) in that sense than Manticore (the planet) or Beowulf (that is, there are planetary cultural differences), and that as soon as the thought occurs to her she realizes that Honor — the quintessential Sphinxian — would never have been concerned about it one way or the other. Have I deliberately crafted a homosexual relationship and brought it center stage to show my enlightenment? No. I haven't seen any reason I ought to have done so. My purpose in writing these books is not to espouse ironclad social or cultural principles which I think ought to apply. I am not myself homosexual and have never had any desire to be so, that does not mean that I do not have any friends who are. If it were germane to this story to tell you that someone is homosexual, I would undoubtedly do so. It has not been germane in, for example the case of Sarnow, because you have never met the male individual to whom he is married and so it has never been germane to the story line.

cthia wrote:Well howdy doody. What have we here? Open the door a little and life will kick it in. This means that the ship hasn't sailed on the possibility of a melding of mushes, er bushes. Go Shannon and Sonja! We all know how 'au naturel' female/female love is. It's sooooo ahhhhhhhh!

'Course, this opens up for some interesting questions.
1. How much faster will the Keys spinning in their graves in apoplexy over certain revelations now power the planet?

2. What would be the treecat name for someone so enlightened as Sarnow?

3. Would said enlightenment have an effect on the palatable taste of a treecat for such a mindglow?

****** *

NPFP! NPFP! (No pitchforks please.)

I commend RFC for his views and I concur wholeheartedly. Why should love be denied to anyone? I am also uninterested in another man in that fashion, but I also have a few friends whose lifestyle does, yet have remained amongst my most cherished and decent friends. I just personally like the love of a woman. They have more to soothe, this savage beast, in the way of bounty.

However, I can understand the appeal if one's heart does for them as a woman's does for me. (And there would be the added benefit, or lack thereof, of monthly mood swings.)

Having said that. And purely from a scientific perspective...

4. In my limited understanding of homosexuality, as I understand it, choice is not available to most because of a genetic predisposition from a possible hormonal imbalance.

Strictly from a scientific perspective. Wouldn't certain options be available in the genetically conquered Honorverse to prevent certain type births occurring? Especially since most births are tubed?

Again. Purely as a scientific interest!
My apologies in advance, if this post has or does offend.

I assure you, it is not my intention.

fallsfromtrees wrote:Probably have to be done on Mesa - prior to now, since they appear to have been removed from the genetic manipulation business by (as of now) certain unnamed parties. It is undoubtedly a violation of the Beowulf code to pre-select that way.

SharkHunter wrote:Talbott "loves"... Seems like the sector is overpopulated with high-testosterone types with no mentioned current ladyfolk. (inviting textev OR speculation from roseandheather and y'all). Not counting our current fav setups for Khumalo/Matsuko, Henke/Oversteegen, and Tremaine/ ?? (Foraker, usually though there's a huge bid for Shannon to a Hemphill hookup), how about some lovin' for:

Bernardus Van Dort and ....
Gregor O'Shaunessy and ....
Commodore Zavala and ....
Stephen Westman and ....

Especially Westman. Way too much XY energy in those boots. How we gonna get those fellows sacked up?

roseandheather wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:Talbott "loves"... Seems like the sector is overpopulated with high-testosterone types with no mentioned current ladyfolk. (inviting textev OR speculation from roseandheather and y'all). Not counting our current fav setups for Khumalo/Matsuko, Henke/Oversteegen, and Tremaine/ ?? (Foraker, usually though there's a huge bid for Shannon to a Hemphill hookup), how about some lovin' for:

Bernardus Van Dort and ....
Gregor O'Shaunessy and ....
Commodore Zavala and ....
Stephen Westman and ....

Especially Westman. Way too much XY energy in those boots. How we gonna get those fellows sacked up?

All aboard the Helen/Bernardus train to never-gonna-happen-ville! (I love Helen and Paulo. I do. I also happen to have my own kryptonite and that kryptonite is older man/much younger woman pairings. There - I said it.)

I need Gregor O'Shaughnessey to fall in love with a naval officer. Not really picky which one.

SharkHunter wrote:

roseandheather wrote:All aboard the Helen/Bernardus train to never-gonna-happen-ville! (I love Helen and Paulo. I do. I also happen to have my own kryptonite and that kryptonite is older man/much younger woman pairings. There - I said it.)

I need Gregor O'Shaughnessey to fall in love with a naval officer. Not really picky which one.

I nominate Naomi Kaplan....although she might also be a good bunkmate for Jeremy X at some point.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

stewart wrote:Michelle Henke / Chiu-Lin Andermann -- this would be both a good dynastic match and a good personality match

Helen Zilwicki / Paulo d'Arezzo -- this is locked in
Abigail Hearns / Aubrey Wanderman -- Aubrey NEEDS to be armtwisted into OCS

Warner Caslet / Shannon Foraker -- I detected a spark between them but their previous chain of command relationship precluded anything

Warner Caslet / Andrea Jaruwalski --
Rafael Cardones / Andrea Jaruwalski
Warner Caslet / Ginger Lewis
Rafael Cardones / Ginger Lewis
Gwen Archer / Helga Boltitz -- this one, like Zilwicki-d'Arezzo is locked in

Scotty Tremaine / Shannon Foraker
Lester Tourville / Mercedes Brigham
Abigail Hearns / Carson Clinkscales

-- Stewart

So instead of polygamy, Abigail is going in for polyandry?

SharkHunter wrote:"roseandheather"]"SharkHunter"]Talbott "loves"... Seems like the sector is overpopulated with high-testosterone types with no mentioned current ladyfolk. (inviting textev OR speculation from roseandheather and y'all). Not counting our current fav setups for Khumalo/Matsuko, Henke/Oversteegen, and Tremaine/ ?? (Foraker, usually though there's a huge bid for Shannon to a Hemphill hookup), how about some lovin' for:

Bernardus Van Dort and ....
Gregor O'Shaunessy and ....
Commodore Zavala and ....
Stephen Westman and ....

Especially Westman. Way too much XY energy in those boots. How we gonna get those fellows sacked up?

fallsfromtrees wrote:

cthia wrote:NPFP! NPFP! (No pitchforks please.)

I commend RFC for his views and I concur wholeheartedly. Why should love be denied to anyone? I am also uninterested in another man in that fashion, but I also have a few friends whose lifestyle does, yet have remained amongst my most cherished and decent friends. I just personally like the love of a woman. They have more to soothe, this savage beast, in the way of bounty.

However, I can understand the appeal if one's heart does for them as a woman's does for me. (And there would be the added benefit, or lack thereof, of monthly mood swings.)

Having said that. And purely from a scientific perspective...

4. In my limited understanding of homosexuality, as I understand it, choice is not available to most because of a genetic predisposition from a possible hormonal imbalance.

Strictly from a scientific perspective. Wouldn't certain options be available in the genetically conquered Honorverse to prevent certain type births occurring? Especially since most births are tubed?

Again. Purely as a scientific interest!
My apologies in advance, if this post has or does offend.

I assure you, it is not my intention.

Probably have to be done on Mesa - prior to now, since they appear to have been removed from the genetic manipulation business by (as of now) certain unnamed parties. It is undoubtedly a violation of the Beowulf code to pre-select that way.

cthia wrote:Except that I don't think this particular mod is beyond the allowed mod line on the genetic string, which would make it okay for anyone to do. Heck, we are almost capable of that ourselves now, with our "designer babies."