THE C R U S H E R

Dauntless wrote:Honor was in charge of ATC during her convalesce after returning from Hades

And during that time I know she had the dinners / simulation sessions for select ATC students each week. But I can't remember if she also taught a normal course at the ATC. I know she was its commandant, and was asked to present a Tactics 101 class over at the normal side of Saganami; just can't remember if she took a normal ATC class as well.

But the classroom scenes I remember were Tactics 101 (because it mentioned the students finding the deliberately inserted backdoor into the restricted ATC tactical records. ATC students wouldn't need to do that)


But if Honor didn't have to teach another full semester class for ATC I'm sure she guest lectured as often as she could.

Jonathan_S wrote:And during that time I know she had the dinners / simulation sessions for select ATC students each week. But I can't remember if she also taught a normal course at the ATC. I know she was its commandant, and was asked to present a Tactics 101 class over at the normal side of Saganami; just can't remember if she took a normal ATC class as well.

But the classroom scenes I remember were Tactics 101 (because it mentioned the students finding the deliberately inserted backdoor into the restricted ATC tactical records. ATC students wouldn't need to do that)

Honor's dinners were a mix ATC students, other instructors (both SI and ATC) visiting brass, and her tactics 101 Students. (at least one invitation per student, and repeat invitations for the best students.

The discussion you remember about the back door was a "dinner discussion" while the students were preparing for the after dinner games.

Fox2! wrote:

The E wrote:What's a DL?

"DL" was the type designation for US Frigates before the Great Cruiser Conversion. Depending on whom you ask, DL stood for either "Destroyer Leader" or "Destroyer, Large." Just as Alaska (BC) and her sisters were "Big Cruisers", not "Battle Cruisers."

When NATO had a frigate convention, the European countries sent 2500-5000 ton vessels. The US sent Bainbridge or Truxton. When the Perry class came along, existing DLGs were redesignated as Cruisers (CG/CGN), and Perry was declared to be a frigate (FFG), more in keeping with her Allied contemporaries.

I came across the abbreviation on a site referencing naval ship sizes and came across it again somewhere on an unofficial Honorverse site. The abbreviations dislodged what's already jumbled in my head. Looked for the site again - that I had stumbled upon by accidental happenstance in the first place - but couldn't locate it. And my history had already been cleared.* *shrug*

*Why is it that you never ever need your history until you clear it?

Weird Harold wrote:

cthia wrote:Viewing Henke's and Honor's wiki profile, and assuming the wiki informant is sober this time, why does it list Henke as receiving the promotion to Ensign in 1879 PD and Honor in 1878? I think it was because of some incident in one of the side stories that made Harrington go noticed? I remember a palate, a careless driver and an accident and Honor taking charge? ...

The reason for Honor's early promotion is detailed in "Ms Midshipwoman Harrington" in the first Honorverse anthology.

IIRC, the palatte and careless driver was Abigail Hearnes in "Service of The Sword" in the anthology of the same name.

Abby? I'm certainly going to revisit that scene! Thanxabunch Harold!

And thanx again for the promotion coordinates.

Weird Harold wrote:

Jonathan_S wrote:And during that time I know she had the dinners / simulation sessions for select ATC students each week. But I can't remember if she also taught a normal course at the ATC. I know she was its commandant, and was asked to present a Tactics 101 class over at the normal side of Saganami; just can't remember if she took a normal ATC class as well.

But the classroom scenes I remember were Tactics 101 (because it mentioned the students finding the deliberately inserted backdoor into the restricted ATC tactical records. ATC students wouldn't need to do that)

Honor's dinners were a mix ATC students, other instructors (both SI and ATC) visiting brass, and her tactics 101 Students. (at least one invitation per student, and repeat invitations for the best students.

The discussion you remember about the back door was a "dinner discussion" while the students were preparing for the after dinner games.

The practice probably highlights one of the reasons why her students always excel. She is an instructor and CO that does what a CO should. I can imagine that her sims are as challenging as any at Sag Isle.

If ATC is to SAT then Honor's dinners are the LSAT's.

Fox2! wrote:

George J. Smith wrote:snip...



In the side story Ms Midshipwoman Harrington, Honor was promoted by Cpt Bacfish(sp) midway through her snotty cruise due to her saving the ship from being destroyed by a privateer.

That would explain the time difference in the dates of promotion.

Plus Michelle was notoriously touchy about any perception of favoritism towards her in assignments and protmotion. Consider the discussion (counseling session?) between Mike and Honor when Mike accuses Honor of favoritism for getting her assigned to command BATCRURON 81, and the squadrion being assigned as Part of 8th Fleet's battle cruiser component.

I allowed for that repugnance for her later lack of promotions, but didn't think she'd object to making Ensign. Surely she wouldn't question whether she was qualified for that and had acquired it on merit alone?

It is interesting that Nimitz may have gone through all of the courses with Honor. It is also interesting that in some point in the future some lucky officer may find themselves matriculating through the course with the same bonded fortune as Honor, but with a Memory Singer instead. A Memory Singer would remember every single word spoken in every class and every situation. Talk about a personal tape recorder brought to class. Heck, you could send your treecat to sit in on class for you, in an emergency - if your telempathic skills have been intensified like Honor's or more so like the "tum te tum" the author is dangling before us regarding Raoul. Nonetheless, this is an exciting path that RFC can take with Raoul.

If Nimitz and the cats in general are allowed to accompany their persons, that is.

cthia wrote:It is interesting that Nimitz may have gone through all of the courses with Honor. It is also interesting that in some point in the future some lucky officer may find themselves matriculating through the course with the same bonded fortune as Honor, but with a Memory Singer instead. A Memory Singer would remember every single word spoken in every class and every situation. Talk about a personal tape recorder brought to class. Heck, you could send your treecat to sit in on class for you, in an emergency - if your telempathic skills have been intensified like Honor's or more so like the "tum te tum" the author is dangling before us regarding Raoul. Nonetheless, this is an exciting path that RFC can take with Raoul.

If Nimitz and the cats in general are allowed to accompany their persons, that is.

Unfortunately, Treecat numbers don't grow fast, but no doubt one of their items on the "soon to do list" is to understand Human technology and society better. They may assign memory singers with a small number of scouts and hunters to learn jobs and skills - and technology.

So it may be a couple years, but you may see a group of treecats attending lectures at the Island to add to the collective knowledge base.

However, one thing we do not know is how quickly a mind song can be relayed to another. Is it truly singing, where a group can indulge in the memory, in real time, or can it be instantly shared, either with an individual or a group? If it is a 1:1 timescale, relaying the entirety of someone's memory is not a very efficient way to transfer knowledge (Just like you can give a recipe in a single page of paper, but the YouTube video of the same procedure is 30 minutes long.) So in the modern day, memory singing may be a very inefficient way of teaching alone.

A lot of people seem to posting from their prejudices where Pavel Young is concerned. Being a pusillanimous turd doesn't automatically equate to being stupid or unable to master course material. Nor need it imply a lack of tactical acumen. It doesn't even equate to being unable to apply oneself when the circumstances warrant it, to at least a minimally-acceptable standard. Being a vindictive SOB as well can impact the latter, but the numbers of those are legion who have sustained themselves through adversity with dreams of what they'll be able to do to others once they reach the top of the pile.

Where they do affect performance is when the pedal hits the metal. The turd is going to run like a rabbit when the splinters start creasing his own personal crust, not when safe and sound in a simulator at the bottom of the atmosphere of his home world. Something that every military knows, which is why it's regarded as a truism that you can never take combat performance for granted based on training results. For men or equipment. That's why so many equipment mods came out of the Balkans, Iraq and Afghanistan, and why the guys getting the promotions now can show evidence of at least being within earshot of the gunfire. Training does manage to wash out many of the unsuitable, but it can't get them all unless you're willing to start blowing people to kingdom come for real. Something that is widely regarded as wasteful, and not without reason.

TL:DR: Young passed the same way anybody else did. Maybe with a poorer final evaluation than most, that's something that can be worked around.

saber964 wrote:

Annachie wrote:We don't know that Pavel Young passed the crusher.
Perhaps the reason he ended up at Basilisk was that he was promoted to captain a cruiser without the course.
I could see his fathers influence being able to handle that.

Hell, just have him as the exec of a cruiser, bribe or blackmail the captain to leaving suddenly and force through a field promotion.

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No, Young probably passed it. With the help of dear old daddy and his blackmail files.

You have to look at a time line to see when Young was at ATC. IIRC Young had been in command of Warlock for just over a year when Fearless showed up in late 1900 PD. So Young probably took the course when he was a LCDR/CDR probably 5-6 years before Honor did.

Weird Harold wrote:

cthia wrote:Viewing Henke's and Honor's wiki profile, and assuming the wiki informant is sober this time, why does it list Henke as receiving the promotion to Ensign in 1879 PD and Honor in 1878? I think it was because of some incident in one of the side stories that made Harrington go noticed? I remember a palate, a careless driver and an accident and Honor taking charge? ...

The reason for Honor's early promotion is detailed in "Ms Midshipwoman Harrington" in the first Honorverse anthology.

IIRC, the palatte and careless driver was Abigail Hearnes in "Service of The Sword" in the anthology of the same name.

Nope, definitely Ms Midshipwoman Harrington

Driver with a pallet load of missiles darn near crashed into a party of techs in Axial One - and we know that Axial One was no longer included on ships around the start of the series.

That useless idiot Santino (and how the expletive deleted did *he* pass the Crusher?!) wasn't involved for once, but was the subject of conversation for the two NCOs leading to the discussion of said incident.

Edit: That isn't *the* incident that leads to promotion, but I do like the discussion between the two NCOs.