"Obsolete SDs" Waste not...

WLBjork wrote:
On the other hand, Jayne's had the pre-war ships with no real redundancy in fire control links either, although they did mount dual-purpose links for more flexibility.

I've said before that I think the Scientist and Vega class are too 'missile heavy', really too 'modern' in general, for the philosophy of the SLN to date.

The point about maintenance is a good one as well. The SLN ships would really need a good refit to make sure everything worked as it should - so they aren't ready for immediate deployment.

Neither of the Jayne's really addresses firecontrol capabilities of ships. All there is, is a line in the Electronics list with the Fire control type.

From the King Williams:

AN/CAT-11(126) Fire Control System
AN/CDT-11(84) Defensive Coordination System

From the Majestic:

AN/CAT-12(126) Fire Control System
AN/CDT-14(84) Defensive Coordination System

It could be that the number in parentheses is the number of missiles the ship can control at once, but we know that usually a ship has a limited number of control links on the hammerheads to deal with the bow/stern, compared to what can be mounted on the broadsides. It could also be the total # of implacements on the ship, which would represent an extra 46 control links on the King Williams (a 57% redundancy overall) and 54 on the Majestic (a 75% redundancy overall).

However, in 1905-1907 we see RMN ships controlling 10-15 pods apiece in each salvo, for 100-150 missiles each - some of which could have been sent uncontrolled, but I doubt that >50% of a salvo was being sent uncontrolled.

cthia wrote:

The E wrote:
Just recognize that you're following the sunk cost fallacy playbook and move on.

Easier said than done. The problem with your suggestion is this... what you are asking is no different than separating church from state—if you can follow that. And we know how difficult that is.

This is another suggestion where we need to ask "WHY". Specifically, what is the threat you are protecting against?

If you have read the series, the average verge system's navy has been described like:

"a handful of obsolete LACs and 2 aging destroyers, one of which is no longer in use to provide parts for the other"

Remember Monica, which has been described as a verge "power" the Solarian League has outsourced operations to? It's Navy had just 5 Heavy Cruisers IIRC, and to man the 14 BC's "gifted" to it, they had to unman every other ship they had.

85% of Honorverse Navies don't even have Heavy Cruisers in them, which in turn means that their threats also don't have Heavy Cruisers, in them, or few of them.

And if there is a true threat to them, why have they not addressed it sooner? Why havn't they replaced the Destroyers, or spent the capitol to fix the broken one. why have they not bought larger ships - or more ships.

The answer to that is either they cannot afford to buy and maintain new ships OR (most probably) there is not a credible threat which requires the growth of their navy.

So why do they need an SD or 2? The average polity we're discussing has already demonstrated either they cannot afford a large navy, they do not have a need for a large navy, or they plan to use a large navy in a manner we don't want to encourage. Do we want to give an of these polities a capital ship?

And don't forget the issues with proliferation. We already know what Monica's leadership had twinkling in their eyes from the thought of 2 squadrons of BCs. What would they do with a SD? Sprinkling capital ships around the verge would cause at least as many conflicts as you are planning on theoretically preventing with the project.

Theemile wrote:
This is another suggestion where we need to ask "WHY". Specifically, what is the threat you are protecting against?

If you have read the series, the average verge system's navy has been described like:

"a handful of obsolete LACs and 2 aging destroyers, one of which is no longer in use to provide parts for the other"

Remember Monica, which has been described as a verge "power" the Solarian League has outsourced operations to? It's Navy had just 5 Heavy Cruisers IIRC, and to man the 14 BC's "gifted" to it, they had to unman every other ship they had.

85% of Honorverse Navies don't even have Heavy Cruisers in them, which in turn means that their threats also don't have Heavy Cruisers, in them, or few of them.

And if there is a true threat to them, why have they not addressed it sooner? Why havn't they replaced the Destroyers, or spent the capitol to fix the broken one. why have they not bought larger ships - or more ships.

The answer to that is either they cannot afford to buy and maintain new ships OR (most probably) there is not a credible threat which requires the growth of their navy.

So why do they need an SD or 2? The average polity we're discussing has already demonstrated either they cannot afford a large navy, they do not have a need for a large navy, or they plan to use a large navy in a manner we don't want to encourage. Do we want to give an of these polities a capital ship?

And don't forget the issues with proliferation. We already know what Monica's leadership had twinkling in their eyes from the thought of 2 squadrons of BCs. What would they do with a SD? Sprinkling capital ships around the verge would cause at least as many conflicts as you are planning on theoretically preventing with the project.

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