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Re: Grayson v. Haven
Post by Imaginos1892   » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:59 am

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Yabbut imagine what a pickle it would be for the High Ridge government when Grayson went ahead and won the war after they wussed out. There would be no special war taxes for them to loot, elections would take place on schedule, the Liberals and Progressives would lose seats in the Commons, and the San Martin peers would be seated in the Lords. Giancola and Grosclaude would never get a chance to play their little diplomatic game.

A lot of things would be much better in the short term, but it's hard to say how they would end. Would there be a prosperous and free Restored Republic? President Pritchart? How long would Oscar Saint-Just last in this scenario?
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Re: Grayson v. Haven
Post by drothgery   » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:16 pm

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Imaginos1892 wrote:A lot of things would be much better in the short term, but it's hard to say how they would end. Would there be a prosperous and free Restored Republic? President Pritchart? How long would Oscar Saint-Just last in this scenario?
St. Just would either be dead, in prison for war crimes (whether put there by Grayson or the new Havenite government), or on the run; certainly he wouldn't be allowed to remain in power.
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Re: Grayson v. Haven
Post by SharkHunter   » Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:06 pm

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Somtaaw wrote:
SharkHunter wrote:Keep in mind that a substantial part of Eighth Fleet at that time were Grayson ships, I'd say yes: Grayson could have probably taken Capitol fleet and the Haven system, but not the entire Republic. So the question would then be, would Yeltsin itself get "Boltholed" unilaterally by the remainder of the PRN afterwards, a not insignificant consideration.

The second problem is that any attack on Noveau Paris and Capitol Fleet would likely have to originate in Trevor's Star, and that would require Manticoran cooperation, which by constitutional law would not have been forthcoming. Acting unilaterally in this would have in fact fractured the Alliance.


I'm not sure the PRN could have "boltholed" Grayson, part of the reason they even truly developed podnoughts was because Foraker had actually seen the inside of the Wayfarer, and from the bridge command plots during the breaking of Warnecke.

And then she was with Second Fleet sitting in orbit of Lovat, which was the Eighth Fleet's next target before the stand-down order was received. If Grayson had decided to keep pushing, they would have consolidated purely Grayson units, and then gone on to smash Haven's Second Fleet, possibly with the death of Foraker, Tourville and/or Giscard.

And then with Eighth Fleet already pushed through so deep into Haven space, Grayson really didn't need to use the Junction. 2 week trip to get to Manticore, versus 3 months to get to Trevor's Star directly...


Excellent points. In fact, considering your very good points, had Honor actually been killed by Cordelia Ransom, or was still stuck on Hades, I wonder if the GSN would have prosecuted that section of the war to completion, because that would have been Protector Benjamin's obligation to his steadholder.

Thoughts?
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Re: Grayson v. Haven
Post by Fox2!   » Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:06 pm

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Somtaaw wrote:every ship captain who decided to keep following Grayson's attack orders just committed mutiny.


To quote that great expert on Admiralty Law, Tom Clancy, misfeasance by the officers of a ship is called "barratry", not mutiny,
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Re: Grayson v. Haven
Post by rafael   » Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:21 pm

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Depending on the oath that RMN officers take it might have been legal for Honor to command the attack. If it was to obey the monarch and her officers and Elizabeth gave her permission to attack it would have been %100 legal.
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