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Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse

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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by kzt   » Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:15 pm

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munroburton wrote:The abject stupidity was all Pavel Young's. As if everyone wouldn't know who had ordered it!

That was the entire point.
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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by cthia   » Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:31 pm

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Sonja Hemphill.

I've come to love her. But dammit wo-man, "You gutted and raped Fearless and installed a weapon system whose name can't even be mentioned!"

Test bed my ass. More like a death bed.

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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by JeffEngel   » Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:37 pm

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cthia wrote:Sonja Hemphill.

I've come to love her. But dammit wo-man, "You gutted and raped Fearless and installed a weapon system whose name can't even be mentioned!"

Test bed my ass. More like a death bed.

It was never meant to be deployed operationally. It was worked out on an old light cruiser for fleet exercises - a nice step up from mere sims - and then conniving at the Admiralty got the thing sent out to Basilisk. And Basilisk should have been safe, and it should have been the junior partner of two out there anyway, so there wasn't reason to try to bring it back and remind people that full-scale models with people in them shouldn't be sent out like actual warships. It should have been okay!

Granted, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that she did not care to have to go tell the First Lord that one of her many idea-babies really, really shouldn't be sent out to play with sharp objects and that that was a factor in staying quiet about it. Or she may have figured that, whatever else, Fearless out there meant Honor Harrington out there, so Pavel Young wasn't going to be on a station alone anymore - or at all anymore, after he ran home. Officer with judgment commanding messed-up ship versus Pavel Young commanding a fine one... hmm, I'd take my chances with the first one.
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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by Amaroq   » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:07 am

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Oscar St. Just having as his personal secretary Sean Caminetti, who just so happened to be the brother of Esther McQueen's junior communications officer, Kevin. Sean's mistaken belief that St. Just was going to move on McQueen soon caused him to notify his brother who tipped off McQueen. She launched her coup attempt before she was ready and the entire thing degenerated into a huge mess that left the PRH in a very untenable position while 8th Fleet was advancing on the Havenite core systems.

For a very observant, very paranoid guy, missing such an obvious link (and an obvious conduit for McQueen into his office) wasn't very smart.
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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by Annachie   » Sat Mar 21, 2015 4:05 am

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In St. Justs' defence he probably thought the information flow was towards him. More misjudgement than glaring error.
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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by saber964   » Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:49 pm

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Amaroq wrote:Oscar St. Just having as his personal secretary Sean Caminetti, who just so happened to be the brother of Esther McQueen's junior communications officer, Kevin. Sean's mistaken belief that St. Just was going to move on McQueen soon caused him to notify his brother who tipped off McQueen. She launched her coup attempt before she was ready and the entire thing degenerated into a huge mess that left the PRH in a very untenable position while 8th Fleet was advancing on the Havenite core systems.

For a very observant, very paranoid guy, missing such an obvious link (and an obvious conduit for McQueen into his office) wasn't very smart.



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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by roseandheather   » Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:32 pm

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Giancola. :evil: Of all the careless, cruel, thick-headed, cruel, selfish, cruel, thoughtless, selfish, cruel asshats in this 'verse, I hate Giancola the most.

I will never forgive him for what he did to my girl. Not if I live to see the death of the universe. I only wish he had died in a more painful, bloody, agonizing, prolonged fashion. Hung, drawn and quartered would be good. So would being torn apart by wild horses. Or flayed open and doused with saltwater.
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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by saber964   » Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:56 pm

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roseandheather wrote:Giancola. :evil: Of all the careless, cruel, thick-headed, cruel, selfish, cruel, thoughtless, selfish, cruel asshats in this 'verse, I hate Giancola the most.

I will never forgive him for what he did to my girl. Not if I live to see the death of the universe. I only wish he had died in a more painful, bloody, agonizing, prolonged fashion. Hung, drawn and quartered would be good. So would being torn apart by wild horses. Or flayed open and doused with saltwater.



How about being fed to pigs live.
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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by stewart   » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:37 am

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SharkHunter wrote:I was going to say "Steadholder Burdette" coming within sword range of Honor when she was righteously pissed. That said, he did save on his own personal embarrasment and shorten his "trial" down to a few microseconds, and saved the planet the cost of any appeals...

Decapitation will do that for you.


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Actually full dis-memberment -- after Honors sword cuts, I think there were 5 separate body parts.

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Re: Comedy/Tragedy of Errors: Stupidity in the Honorverse
Post by Rob the Fiend   » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:58 am

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stewart wrote:
SharkHunter wrote:I was going to say "Steadholder Burdette" coming within sword range of Honor when she was righteously pissed. That said, he did save on his own personal embarrasment and shorten his "trial" down to a few microseconds, and saved the planet the cost of any appeals...

Decapitation will do that for you.


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Actually full dis-memberment -- after Honors sword cuts, I think there were 5 separate body parts.

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IIRC she opened him up from right sholder to left hip.
The only bodypart to actually get detached was the head.
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