Gas Stations, or....

Darius is someplace that isn't going to be easy to find or "stumble over" in normal moving round. If it is at one end of wormhole that is only othewise accessable from another wormhole you /other people so far have ONLY been able to get to through the Alignment's private wormhole network, then it is going to tough to find.

We already know it has a habitable planet. Nothing mentioned about "problems" like Grayson's toxic conditions. We might presume that -like essentialy all the other planets with human habitation mentioned so far- humans can survive without living in mostly enclosed environments like Grasons. Not talking planet based mining orperations in a situation where this is the only reason to be on the planet. Actual open-air habitation with cities and farms and such.

IF Darius does not have a good or reasonable hydrogen source, then the Alignment would have to import it. And where would they get it? Well, one place would be from a system "near" the one with Darius which one might presume had little else but a good source of hydrogen. That COULD be the system near to the other end of the Darius wormholl which is also presumed NOT to have a habiable planet. Why no habitable planet there, well that would have been the 1st place to set up what became Darius, of course.

I would suspect that very early after a wormhole terminus is discovered, someone would evaluate a lot of systems near it for what was available. We have been told that the system closest to the Matapan end of the Matapan-Manticorp wormhole has no habitable planet. Don't recall anything else mentioned but it COULD have a hydrogen source. We don't have other information as to what exactly is co-located with the Matapan terminus but it is reasonable that someone is maintaining a hydrogen tank system there to sell bunkerage to commercial ships and provide (or sell) to RMN ships. It would depend on how far the terminus is from the nearest system with an inhabited planet or industrial production within system that includes hydrogen extraction.

Somebody is likely to try to make a profit off an exploitable resource.

Brigade XO wrote:Darius is someplace that isn't going to be easy to find or "stumble over" in normal moving round. If it is at one end of wormhole that is only othewise accessable from another wormhole you /other people so far have ONLY been able to get to through the Alignment's private wormhole network, then it is going to tough to find.

We already know it has a habitable planet. Nothing mentioned about "problems" like Grayson's toxic conditions. We might presume that -like essentialy all the other planets with human habitation mentioned so far- humans can survive without living in mostly enclosed environments like Grasons. Not talking planet based mining orperations in a situation where this is the only reason to be on the planet. Actual open-air habitation with cities and farms and such.

IF Darius does not have a good or reasonable hydrogen source, then the Alignment would have to import it. And where would they get it? Well, one place would be from a system "near" the one with Darius which one might presume had little else but a good source of hydrogen. That COULD be the system near to the other end of the Darius wormholl which is also presumed NOT to have a habiable planet. Why no habitable planet there, well that would have been the 1st place to set up what became Darius, of course.

I would suspect that very early after a wormhole terminus is discovered, someone would evaluate a lot of systems near it for what was available. We have been told that the system closest to the Matapan end of the Matapan-Manticorp wormhole has no habitable planet. Don't recall anything else mentioned but it COULD have a hydrogen source. We don't have other information as to what exactly is co-located with the Matapan terminus but it is reasonable that someone is maintaining a hydrogen tank system there to sell bunkerage to commercial ships and provide (or sell) to RMN ships. It would depend on how far the terminus is from the nearest system with an inhabited planet or industrial production within system that includes hydrogen extraction.

Somebody is likely to try to make a profit off an exploitable resource.

About Darius we have two or three small hints.
1) it's close to wormhole terminus
2) it's around Mannerheim (probably I wrote it completely wrong)
3) it's relatively close to Mesa.
I would guess that's around 100 ly from Mesa and it wouldn't be in the Eastern part galaxy from Mesa, either North is a bad place for it.

Draken wrote:About Darius we have two or three small hints.
1) it's close to wormhole terminus
2) it's around Mannerheim (probably I wrote it completely wrong)
3) it's relatively close to Mesa.
I would guess that's around 100 ly from Mesa and it wouldn't be in the Eastern part galaxy from Mesa, either North is a bad place for it.

What is your textev that its close to Mesa?, and given that wormholes can cover 300-400 ly, it doesn't necessarily have to be close to Mannerheim - just close the the wormhole that leads from Mannerheim.

Brigade XO wrote:Darius is someplace that isn't going to be easy to find or "stumble over" in normal moving round. If it is at one end of wormhole that is only othewise accessable from another wormhole you /other people so far have ONLY been able to get to through the Alignment's private wormhole network, then it is going to tough to find.

Your astrography is off a bit.

The Felix system is near Mannerheim. It has a wormhole Junction with Four termini but extremely muddled ownership.

One of the termini leads to Darius.

One of the termini leads to "The Twins;" an uninhabitable system with no name, just a catalog designation, and two Wormhole Termini in close proximity.

The other two termini lead to underdeveloped regions of space that the Jessyk Combine uses as "secret for now" shipping routes. Those two termini are presented to anyone outside the Onion as the ONLY two termini.

The second Wormhole terminus at The Twins is the other end of Torch's wormhole bridge.

Mannerheim is presumably somewhere near Visigoth and the rest of the RF. The route between Darius and Mesa goes through the wormhole to Felix, through Hyperspace to Visigoth and the Visigoth Wormhole to Mesa.

Weird Harold wrote:Your astrography is off a bit.

The Felix system is near Mannerheim. It has a wormhole Junction with Four termini but extremely muddled ownership.

One of the termini leads to Darius.

One of the termini leads to "The Twins;" an uninhabitable system with no name, just a catalog designation, and two Wormhole Termini in close proximity.

The other two termini lead to underdeveloped regions of space that the Jessyk Combine uses as "secret for now" shipping routes. Those two termini are presented to anyone outside the Onion as the ONLY two termini.

The second Wormhole terminus at The Twins is the other end of Torch's wormhole bridge.

Mannerheim is presumably somewhere near Visigoth and the rest of the RF. The route between Darius and Mesa goes through the wormhole to Felix, through Hyperspace to Visigoth and the Visigoth Wormhole to Mesa.

One additional note: we don't actually know that the various members of the RF are close to each other. So we do not know that Mannerheim is close to Visigoth. All we know is that they are all full members of the Solarian League, which puts them within the Shell or Core.

Weird Harold wrote:

Brigade XO wrote:Darius is someplace that isn't going to be easy to find or "stumble over" in normal moving round. If it is at one end of wormhole that is only othewise accessable from another wormhole you /other people so far have ONLY been able to get to through the Alignment's private wormhole network, then it is going to tough to find.

Your astrography is off a bit.

The Felix system is near Mannerheim. It has a wormhole Junction with Four termini but extremely muddled ownership.

One of the termini leads to Darius.

One of the termini leads to "The Twins;" an uninhabitable system with no name, just a catalog designation, and two Wormhole Termini in close proximity.

The other two termini lead to underdeveloped regions of space that the Jessyk Combine uses as "secret for now" shipping routes. Those two termini are presented to anyone outside the Onion as the ONLY two termini.

We don't know that the Jessyk Combine uses them. We don't even know that the Jessyk Combine knows about them - the MAlign may have removed all references from the JC's records.

Weird Harold wrote:The second Wormhole terminus at The Twins is the other end of Torch's wormhole bridge.

Mannerheim is presumably somewhere near Visigoth and the rest of the RF. The route between Darius and Mesa goes through the wormhole to Felix, through Hyperspace to Visigoth and the Visigoth Wormhole to Mesa.

We don't know that.

SWM wrote:

Weird Harold wrote:Your astrography is off a bit.

The Felix system is near Mannerheim. It has a wormhole Junction with Four termini but extremely muddled ownership.

One of the termini leads to Darius.

One of the termini leads to "The Twins;" an uninhabitable system with no name, just a catalog designation, and two Wormhole Termini in close proximity.

The other two termini lead to underdeveloped regions of space that the Jessyk Combine uses as "secret for now" shipping routes. Those two termini are presented to anyone outside the Onion as the ONLY two termini.

The second Wormhole terminus at The Twins is the other end of Torch's wormhole bridge.

Mannerheim is presumably somewhere near Visigoth and the rest of the RF. The route between Darius and Mesa goes through the wormhole to Felix, through Hyperspace to Visigoth and the Visigoth Wormhole to Mesa.

One additional note: we don't actually know that the various members of the RF are close to each other. So we do not know that Mannerheim is close to Visigoth. All we know is that they are all full members of the Solarian League, which puts them within the Shell or Core.

Do we know that they're all SL members? While it seems likely, I haven't seen it said anywhere.

We do know that they're close enough together for periodic meetings of their Supreme Leaders on Mannerheim without those Supreme Leaders being gone long enough to cause problems at home. That doesn't mean in real space necessarily, the paths could include any number of wormhole transits.

We also know that they're far enough apart that collectively they make a reasonable set of nuclei for the rest of the planets to coalesce around.

Brigade XO wrote:We already know it has a habitable planet. Nothing mentioned about "problems" like Grayson's toxic conditions. We might presume that -like essentialy all the other planets with human habitation mentioned so far- humans can survive without living in mostly enclosed environments like Grasons. Not talking planet based mining orperations in a situation where this is the only reason to be on the planet. Actual open-air habitation with cities and farms and such.

Well, considering the specialty of the MAlign, I doubt that any "problems" would continue to be problems into the second generation. They would figure out what the problem was, and engineer a solution into the genetic structure of the next group to be born. For example, if Darius was like Grayson, with the heavy metal toxicity, I am sure that the Evil Overlords would have figured out a better solution than the Graysons did; one that is both more effective and had much less of a side effect. This ability, in and of it self, makes a many "uninhabitable" planets a possibility for the MAlign.

crewdude48 wrote:

Brigade XO wrote:We already know it has a habitable planet. Nothing mentioned about "problems" like Grayson's toxic conditions. We might presume that -like essentialy all the other planets with human habitation mentioned so far- humans can survive without living in mostly enclosed environments like Grasons. Not talking planet based mining orperations in a situation where this is the only reason to be on the planet. Actual open-air habitation with cities and farms and such.

Well, considering the specialty of the MAlign, I doubt that any "problems" would continue to be problems into the second generation. They would figure out what the problem was, and engineer a solution into the genetic structure of the next group to be born. For example, if Darius was like Grayson, with the heavy metal toxicity, I am sure that the Evil Overlords would have figured out a better solution than the Graysons did; one that is both more effective and had much less of a side effect. This ability, in and of it self, makes a many "uninhabitable" planets a possibility for the MAlign.

Except that the plan was for Darius to serve as the headquarters for the Alignment after they abandoned Mesa. Presumably, non-natives have to be able to live there.

SWM wrote:

crewdude48 wrote:Well, considering the specialty of the MAlign, I doubt that any "problems" would continue to be problems into the second generation. They would figure out what the problem was, and engineer a solution into the genetic structure of the next group to be born. For example, if Darius was like Grayson, with the heavy metal toxicity, I am sure that the Evil Overlords would have figured out a better solution than the Graysons did; one that is both more effective and had much less of a side effect. This ability, in and of it self, makes a many "uninhabitable" planets a possibility for the MAlign.

Except that the plan was for Darius to serve as the headquarters for the Alignment after they abandoned Mesa. Presumably, non-natives have to be able to live there.

It'd be enough if the non-natives had to mostly keep to controlled environments and hydroponic food sources. Or if they could adapt well enough to Darius with altered gut flora, say.

I doubt that Darius is all that exotic for living conditions; I just haven't seen compelling reason to rule that out.