Firebrand's agenda...

stewart wrote:Harahap / Firebrand is an opportunist -- admitted in his unspoken comments to himself -- He was playing the best game available.

He can tell where he operated and where other operations (not his) occurred that he knows about, but in reality he is a local, tactical operator, NOT a strategic planner or manipulator.

-- Stewart

A Rising Thunder, ch.31 wrote:...
"Frankly, if I were the Manties, I’d be doing everything I could to further disrupt the Protectorates. For that matter, I’d be stirring up all the unrest I could among the Office of Frontier Security’s…client states.”

A Rising Thunder wrote:Gweon sensed her reaction and grimaced an apology... “Sorry, Erzi. Maybe I shouldn’t be so flip about it, but if you’d had to put up with that arrogant little prick as long as all of us who had the joy of working for him did, you’d probably feel like hoisting a few, too.”

“You may be right about that, and I guess I’m glad I didn’t have to put up with him. Either way, we’ve got other things to think about, and the courier’s leaving for Mesa tomorrow evening, so let’s go ahead and get the rest of your report out of the way.”

SharkHunter wrote:Hate to wake up an old thread but just rediscovered this jaw droppng little set of tidbits:

--snipping--

stewart wrote:Harahap / Firebrand is an opportunist -- admitted in his unspoken comments to himself -- He was playing the best game available.

He can tell where he operated and where other operations (not his) occurred that he knows about, but in reality he is a local, tactical operator, NOT a strategic planner or manipulator.

-- Stewart

This is a Captain Gweon, "the head of one of ONI’s main sections" speaking:

A Rising Thunder, ch.31 wrote:...
"Frankly, if I were the Manties, I’d be doing everything I could to further disrupt the Protectorates. For that matter, I’d be stirring up all the unrest I could among the Office of Frontier Security’s…client states.”

Then we discover --bolding mine--

A Rising Thunder wrote:Gweon sensed her reaction and grimaced an apology... “Sorry, Erzi. Maybe I shouldn’t be so flip about it, but if you’d had to put up with that arrogant little prick as long as all of us who had the joy of working for him did, you’d probably feel like hoisting a few, too.”

“You may be right about that, and I guess I’m glad I didn’t have to put up with him. Either way, we’ve got other things to think about, and the courier’s leaving for Mesa tomorrow evening, so let’s go ahead and get the rest of your report out of the way.”

So we now know how high the Mesan penetration of the SLN has gone, that an MAlign operator is cementing his credentials with the Mandarins, AND that stirring up Verge systems in Manticore's name is a key part of the overall "dismember the League" strategy, as Helen Zilwicki thought, all the way back in Shadow Of Freedom.

Ugly. Wonder what happens next.

fallsfromtrees wrote:There is no reason for Harahap to worry about returned to Montana - he committed no crime there. He has promised Westman arms, but they were never actually delivered, and other than meeting with him a couple of times, had nothing to do with his operations (all of which were amnestied anyway). As far as being returned to Kornati, yes he arranged for arms for the FAK, but in fact, we have no textev that any of those arms were ever used in operations on Kornati. Most of them were destroyed in the raid on the training center, and the others scattered in small caches around the planet. While I am sure that Norbrandt did use some of those items, all of her operations prior to the delivery were from local resources, not the stuff that he supplied. If he agrees to help trap her, I suspect that he can arrange to walk, or at least get off with minimal incarceration, and he could prove invaluable as an asset in taking down OFS in the region, as he has a lot of knowledge about the resistance groups in the area, even those he wasn't actively encouraging.

looksbeforeheleaps wrote:Given that Firebird specifically sought out and encouraged Westman and Norbrandt, he can probably be held legally responsible for every crime either of them committed.

Weird Harold wrote:

looksbeforeheleaps wrote:Given that Firebird specifically sought out and encouraged Westman and Norbrandt, he can probably be held legally responsible for every crime either of them committed.

At the time of Firebrand's involvement, Montana and Kornati were separate and distinct political entities. That would make Jurisdiction problematic for a multi-state conspiracy charge. Montana would have no right or reason to charge him with Norbrandt's crimes.

Now that both are part of the SEM, Firebrand has committed no crimes under Manticoran Law and still couldn't be charged with crimes against Kornati in Montana Courts or vice versa.

Not that he wouldn't be locked up for a long time if he were to fall into Manticoran hands, but it would be as a POW rather than "criminal consiracy."

Weird Harold wrote:

looksbeforeheleaps wrote:Given that Firebird specifically sought out and encouraged Westman and Norbrandt, he can probably be held legally responsible for every crime either of them committed.

At the time of Firebrand's involvement, Montana and Kornati were separate and distinct political entities. That would make Jurisdiction problematic for a multi-state conspiracy charge. Montana would have no right or reason to charge him with Norbrandt's crimes.

Now that both are part of the SEM, Firebrand has committed no crimes under Manticoran Law and still couldn't be charged with crimes against Kornati in Montana Courts or vice versa.

Not that he wouldn't be locked up for a long time if he were to fall into Manticoran hands, but it would be as a POW rather than "criminal consiracy."

George J. Smith wrote:I would think that the clause the peeps used to condemn Honor would be relevant and Firebrand would not be tried/convicted as a POW.

Weird Harold wrote:The Deneb Accords wouldn't really apply because Firebrand wasn't working for a signatory of those accords. He'd be imprisoned as a POW or tried for his association with Norbrandt in local Kornati courts. He just couldn't be tried for crimes against Montana at the same time because he didn't actually commit anything there.

Weird Harold wrote:

George J. Smith wrote:I would think that the clause the peeps used to condemn Honor would be relevant and Firebrand would not be tried/convicted as a POW.

The Deneb Accords wouldn't really apply because Firebrand wasn't working for a signatory of those accords. He'd be imprisoned as a POW or tried for his association with Norbrandt in local Kornati courts. He just couldn't be tried for crimes against Montana at the same time because he didn't actually commit anything there.

George J. Smith wrote:

Weird Harold wrote:
The Deneb Accords wouldn't really apply because Firebrand wasn't working for a signatory of those accords. He'd be imprisoned as a POW or tried for his association with Norbrandt in local Kornati courts. He just couldn't be tried for crimes against Montana at the same time because he didn't actually commit anything there.

I think Under UK anti-terrorism laws he could be tried for conspiracy to commit, however as all of his "fellow" conspirators were pardoned, it would be a bit much to not pardon him as well. However if the Montanans had only been pardoned for the acts they actually committed then to try Firebrand for conspiracy to commit terrorism would mean that the Montanans would also have to be tried for conspiracy to commit.

Of course I don't know what Montanan anti-terrorism laws are.