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by dreamrider » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:56 pm | |
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Portion of Wikipedia article on the U.S. Army's standard .50 cal sniper rifle. Note that it is not the only caliber or mark of sniper rifle in service.
(bolding added by me) M82 to M107 The XM107 was originally intended to be a bolt-action sniper rifle, and it was selected by the U.S. Army in a competition between such weapons. However, the decision was made that the U.S. Army did not, in fact, require such a weapon. The rifle originally selected under the trials to be the XM107 was the Barrett M95. Then the Army decided on the Barrett M82, a semi-automatic rifle. In summer 2002, the M82 finally emerged from its Army trial phase and was approved for "full materiel release", meaning it was officially adopted as the Long Range Sniper Rifle, Caliber .50, M107. The M107 uses a Leupold 4.5–14×50 Mark 4 scope. The Barrett M107 is a .50 caliber, shoulder fired, semi-automatic sniper rifle. Like its predecessors the rifle is said to have manageable recoil for a weapon of its size owing to the barrel assembly that itself absorbs force, moving inward toward the receiver against large springs with every shot. Additionally the weapon's weight and large muzzle brake also assist in recoil reduction. Various changes were made to the original M82A1 to create the M107, with new features such as a lengthened accessory rail, rear grip, and monopod socket. Barrett has recently been tasked with developing a lightweight version of the M107 under the "Anti-Materiel Sniper Rifle Congressional Program", and has already come up with a scheme to build important component parts such as the receiver frame and muzzle brake out of lighter weight materials. The Barrett M107, like previous members of the M82 line, is also referred to as the Barrett "Light Fifty." The designation has in many instances supplanted earlier ones, with the M107 being voted one of 2005's Top 10 Military Inventions by the U.S. Army.[4] dreamrider (I think I'd best be done with this thread now.) |
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by Theemile » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:20 pm | |
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No, missiles can be fired out of pods and warships at the same velocity using the same energy to do so. The difference is whether the warship is kicked sideways at 10m/s or the pod is kicked back at 75000m/s. Once again, Simple newtonian mechanics - the firing point is in the center and each component of the equation is moved in opposite directions in proportion to it's mass. ******
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by Tenshinai » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:10 pm | |
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Hmm, clumsy quoting by Vince there that i missed.
Oh i know what it´s called and all, and do note i did not say it was NOT used as a sniper rifle, just that it wasn´t the usual usage. Rifles in .338 have effectively taken over much of that part even if it is mostly unofficial so far, due to being much more portable and still capable of very long ranges, up to the point where distance is no longer an issue for the ammo, but for conditions, sights and the shooter. |
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by Weird Harold » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:56 pm | |
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If that is true, why did pods fall out of favor until GRAM/Ghostrider came up with better mass drivers for LACs and Pods? .
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by Theemile » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:08 pm | |
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Because the original pods before the series didn't have ANY mass drivers to give the missiles the initial kick. It has never been mentioned, but I would expect they got their initial separation via chem rockets, as we've seen in the Travis Long story in Beginnings. ******
RFC said "refitting a Beowulfan SD to Manticoran standards would be just as difficult as refitting a standard SLN SD to those standards. In other words, it would be cheaper and faster to build new ships." |
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by akira.taylor » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:21 pm | |
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The "better mass drivers" are (as far as I recall) described as "light-weight." Basically, ships carried bigger mass drivers (since they have a lot more mass, and are expecting to get more shots off per launcher). |
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by Weird Harold » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:29 am | |
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That's essentially what I'm trying to point out: Pods are lighter and have lighter mass drivers, yet the new "better mass drivers" can match the missile acceleration of ship-board launchers. (often with heavier missiles than the ship controlling them.) .
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by Lord Skimper » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:02 am | |
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The Barrett M109 is the replacement AMR for the now M107 sniper rifle.
It fires a 25mm round. Unlike the Steyr IWS 2000 which is a flat trajectory high velocity weapon the M109 is a brute force light cannon. Both do a similar job, the Barrett is better for soft target fighting the Steyr for long range anti armour / sniper with variable conditions. Both work, overkill vs infantry, pretty much the same but the Barrett can use explosive anti infantry / soft target ammunition options. The IWS is pretty useless against a tent full of provisions. ________________________________________
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by Theemile » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:35 am | |
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And I'm trying to point out that the mass of the launcher does not matter from a newtonian point of view - a lighter launcher just means that the launcher recoils with a higher velocity - the projectile launched still has the same initial velocity for the same KE put in the system. ******
RFC said "refitting a Beowulfan SD to Manticoran standards would be just as difficult as refitting a standard SLN SD to those standards. In other words, it would be cheaper and faster to build new ships." |
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by Tenshinai » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:13 am | |
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Once. Before needing maintenance/refurbishing. Internal launchers clearly isn´t so limited. |
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