Topic Actions

Topic Search

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 38 guests

The SLN commerce raiding strategy WILL work.

Join us in talking discussing all things Honor, including (but not limited to) tactics, favorite characters, and book discussions.
Re: The SLN commerce raiding strategy WILL work.
Post by pldew   » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:00 pm

pldew
Lieutenant (Junior Grade)

Posts: 27
Joined: Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:18 am

Theemile wrote:
Since so many people won't let the "I have a great use for the captured SDs" topic die, I decided I won't let the authorial response die :twisted:


Who was talking about them? I was under the impression that the captured SDs topic was similar to that of grav lances, and agree. I don't see how that relates to the topic of SDs the SLN still controls. Am I missing something?
Top
Re: The SLN commerce raiding strategy WILL work.
Post by Borealis   » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:03 pm

Borealis
Lieutenant (Senior Grade)

Posts: 63
Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:55 pm
Location: Anchorage, AK

kzt wrote:
Eagleeye wrote:To kill someone/something, you have to know (at least approximately), where he/she/it is ... Yeah, old-style Solly-SDs are built for energy-range-fighting. But even if you built a SD with so much Grasers/Lasers that he looks like a hedgehog - if you don't know where your target is, your energy weapons are useless.

At energy range you can optically see the target. All the jammers and such are pretty much completely useless when you can visually aim at the target. It's having an attack helicopter battalion land and everyone charge the Zulu hordes on foot with their survival knives drawn.


However, being in optical range doesn't necessarily mean you can hit it. Think about the 16" main battery guns on an Iowa class battleship. They were designed to fire against another ship of the same type. How well would the do against a torpedo boat? Sure they could see it, but would you be able to actually target it? Any hits against such a small, fast target would be complete luck.

Now, I don't recall if main weapon targeting accuracy has been mentioned previously other than mentioning they could be tied into the missile defense net, but that might only imply they are shooting in the general direction of the incoming missiles in the off chance it might hit.

Something to think about.
Top
Re: The SLN commerce raiding strategy WILL work.
Post by kzt   » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:24 pm

kzt
Fleet Admiral

Posts: 11360
Joined: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:18 pm
Location: Albuquerque, NM

Borealis wrote:However, being in optical range doesn't necessarily mean you can hit it. Think about the 16" main battery guns on an Iowa class battleship. They were designed to fire against another ship of the same type. How well would the do against a torpedo boat? Sure they could see it, but would you be able to actually target it? Any hits against such a small, fast target would be complete luck.

Now, I don't recall if main weapon targeting accuracy has been mentioned previously other than mentioning they could be tied into the missile defense net, but that might only imply they are shooting in the general direction of the incoming missiles in the off chance it might hit.

Something to think about.

That's why they have fast firing 5" guns. The Haven grasers are used for missile defense, it's kind of unclear how useful this is, but it didn't appear to be something that Haven stopped doing. So I'd guess they can in fact target really small, really fast moving targets.
Top
Re: The SLN commerce raiding strategy WILL work.
Post by Borealis   » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:03 pm

Borealis
Lieutenant (Senior Grade)

Posts: 63
Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:55 pm
Location: Anchorage, AK

kzt wrote:That's why they have fast firing 5" guns. The Haven grasers are used for missile defense, it's kind of unclear how useful this is, but it didn't appear to be something that Haven stopped doing. So I'd guess they can in fact target really small, really fast moving targets.


You have a very good point about the smaller batteries on an Iowa-class. But wouldn't those smaller guns be the equivalent of the PDC's with the faster firing time and accuracy capability?
Top
Re: The SLN commerce raiding strategy WILL work.
Post by SWM   » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:04 pm

SWM
Fleet Admiral

Posts: 5928
Joined: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:00 pm
Location: U.S. east coast

pldew wrote:
Theemile wrote:
Since so many people won't let the "I have a great use for the captured SDs" topic die, I decided I won't let the authorial response die :twisted:


Who was talking about them? I was under the impression that the captured SDs topic was similar to that of grav lances, and agree. I don't see how that relates to the topic of SDs the SLN still controls. Am I missing something?

Nobody has been talking about them for a while. Theemile has simply been using that under his automatic signature for months, since the last time it was discussed.
--------------------------------------------
Librarian: The Original Search Engine
Top
Re: The SLN commerce raiding strategy WILL work.
Post by Hutch   » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:10 pm

Hutch
Vice Admiral

Posts: 1831
Joined: Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:40 pm
Location: Huntsville, Alabama y'all

Theemile wrote:I'd start the attack with an MDM launch and time my strike to hit maybe 60 seconds after the MDM strike. all the survivors will be focused forward, and any wounded birds will be easier pickings - and damaged sensors will help mask the attack.


Which begs the question--if you're deploying a few hundred missile pods to a system, where are the fire control stations? You don't have a Squadron of Sag-C's hanging around, just some LAC's that do have limited fire control for their misisles, but do they have enough to control a major launch of pods?

So who is going to control all that firepower?
***********************************************
No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow.

What? Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here! Boom. Sooner or later. BOOM! -LT. Cmdr. Susan Ivanova, Babylon 5
Top
Re: The SLN commerce raiding strategy WILL work.
Post by MaxxQ   » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:13 pm

MaxxQ
BuNine

Posts: 1553
Joined: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:08 pm
Location: Greer, South Carolina USA

SWM wrote:
pldew wrote:Who was talking about them? I was under the impression that the captured SDs topic was similar to that of grav lances, and agree. I don't see how that relates to the topic of SDs the SLN still controls. Am I missing something?


Nobody has been talking about them for a while. Theemile has simply been using that under his automatic signature for months, since the last time it was discussed.


Not that it matters much, since the point is the same either way. :mrgreen:
Top
Re: The SLN commerce raiding strategy WILL work.
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:18 pm

Howard T. Map-addict
Rear Admiral

Posts: 1392
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:47 am
Location: Philadelphia, PA

With the missile pods.
Duh!

HTM

Hutch wrote:
Which begs the question--if you're deploying a few hundred missile pods to a system, where are the fire control stations?
Top
Re: The SLN commerce raiding strategy WILL work.
Post by SWM   » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:20 pm

SWM
Fleet Admiral

Posts: 5928
Joined: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:00 pm
Location: U.S. east coast

Hutch wrote:
Theemile wrote:I'd start the attack with an MDM launch and time my strike to hit maybe 60 seconds after the MDM strike. all the survivors will be focused forward, and any wounded birds will be easier pickings - and damaged sensors will help mask the attack.


Which begs the question--if you're deploying a few hundred missile pods to a system, where are the fire control stations? You don't have a Squadron of Sag-C's hanging around, just some LAC's that do have limited fire control for their misisles, but do they have enough to control a major launch of pods?

So who is going to control all that firepower?

That's what Moriarty and Mycroft is for.
--------------------------------------------
Librarian: The Original Search Engine
Top
Re: The SLN commerce raiding strategy WILL work.
Post by Theemile   » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:39 pm

Theemile
Fleet Admiral

Posts: 5224
Joined: Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:50 pm
Location: All over the Place - Now Serving Dublin, OH

Hutch wrote:
Theemile wrote:I'd start the attack with an MDM launch and time my strike to hit maybe 60 seconds after the MDM strike. all the survivors will be focused forward, and any wounded birds will be easier pickings - and damaged sensors will help mask the attack.


Which begs the question--if you're deploying a few hundred missile pods to a system, where are the fire control stations? You don't have a Squadron of Sag-C's hanging around, just some LAC's that do have limited fire control for their misisles, but do they have enough to control a major launch of pods?

So who is going to control all that firepower?


Manticore has some type of off-camera firecontrol for their secondary defensive systems. We've seen a launch at Zanzibar iirc, but no real details on it. I don't think it's as accurate as shipborne control but does allow massive #s of mdms to be launched.

Ther has been specualtion that the sensors and firecontrol are built into Sysdef missile pods, but iirc there is no text-ev on that, and it is doubtful seeing that standard Manty pods have a Sysdef mode.
******
RFC said "refitting a Beowulfan SD to Manticoran standards would be just as difficult as refitting a standard SLN SD to those standards. In other words, it would be cheaper and faster to build new ships."
Top

Return to Honorverse