Eridani Edict Violation of the most Dismissive Kind...

Brigade XO wrote:At this point is it actualy quite possible that Grayson could find themselves a habitable world and move their entire population there (over quite a few decades or more) while continuing to mine Grayson for some of the more exotic materials found there. That, apparently, isn't quite the way the Graysons view the problems they face. The probably would have been much better off leaving the Faithfull on Grayson (and giving them what they wanted- control of the planet) and going to what is now Massada where they could have thrived more or less. Certainly that planet & system would probably have become the prize that Haven and Manticore were looking to gain in Honor of the Queen- same scenario, slightly different location. Somehow I don't see the Faithfull doing quite as well on Grayson without the people who ultimately gave away their oppertunity to get off that ball of toxin.

Brigade XO wrote:At this point is it actualy quite possible that Grayson could find themselves a habitable world and move their entire population there (over quite a few decades or more) while continuing to mine Grayson for some of the more exotic materials found there.

quite possibly a cat wrote:

Brigade XO wrote:At this point is it actualy quite possible that Grayson could find themselves a habitable world and move their entire population there (over quite a few decades or more) while continuing to mine Grayson for some of the more exotic materials found there.

Or they could not repeat the mistake they made the first time around and simply not fall back down to a planetary gravity well. Seriously, how do people in Honorverse keep screwing that up!? And these gravity wells are light years away from Earth? I mean I could understand if you shot off and screwed up some calculations and got caught in Jupiter or crashed into Luna, but Beowulf? Come on! Its in Sigma Draconis! Why?!?!?

But seriously the Grayson's have a fine set up now. They can build nice airtight domes and stuff. You'd need to do basically the same thing anyplace else unless you wanted to deal with deadly UV rays, new diseases, insects, water damage or the other horrifying dangers of planetary life.

n7axw wrote:

Brigade XO wrote:At this point is it actualy quite possible that Grayson could find themselves a habitable world and move their entire population there (over quite a few decades or more) while continuing to mine Grayson for some of the more exotic materials found there. That, apparently, isn't quite the way the Graysons view the problems they face. The probably would have been much better off leaving the Faithfull on Grayson (and giving them what they wanted- control of the planet) and going to what is now Massada where they could have thrived more or less. Certainly that planet & system would probably have become the prize that Haven and Manticore were looking to gain in Honor of the Queen- same scenario, slightly different location. Somehow I don't see the Faithfull doing quite as well on Grayson without the people who ultimately gave away their oppertunity to get off that ball of toxin.

At that time Grayson had no way of getting the bulk of the population. It is unclear that they even managed to get the bulk of the faithful off planet. IIRC, what they managed was about 50,000 people which probably included the leadership and the inner circle of the faithful in exchange for not having the planet blown up by nukes.

Don

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cthia wrote:


Why don't the GSN occupy Masada, instead of the RMN? Available troop strength?

Eagleeye wrote:

cthia wrote:


Why don't the GSN occupy Masada, instead of the RMN? Available troop strength?

Grayson troops as an occupying force on Masada?? Sorry, it's definitely not my intention to insult you, cthia ... but I have to ask: ARE YOU MAD???

If you let Graysons even near Masada, the whole planet will go booom! Scratch that, I mean, it will go BOOOMMMM!!!. You simply can't ignore several hundred years of really bad blood and mutual hatred. The Graysons, as the victors, tend maybe to a more sane approach in regard of Masada and Masadans, but the other way around? No way in hell. A hundred years down the road, as soon as the whole lot of the old fanatics are dead and a new generation, raised under and used to Manticoran occupation and order, is available, then, maybe, you can substitute (over several decades) the Manticoran occupying forces with Graysons. Sooner - and you've a box seat, 1st row, for the real life explosion of a whole planet.

cthia wrote:

Eagleeye wrote:
Grayson troops as an occupying force on Masada?? Sorry, it's definitely not my intention to insult you, cthia ... but I have to ask: ARE YOU MAD???

If you let Graysons even near Masada, the whole planet will go booom! Scratch that, I mean, it will go BOOOMMMM!!!. You simply can't ignore several hundred years of really bad blood and mutual hatred. The Graysons, as the victors, tend maybe to a more sane approach in regard of Masada and Masadans, but the other way around? No way in hell. A hundred years down the road, as soon as the whole lot of the old fanatics are dead and a new generation, raised under and used to Manticoran occupation and order, is available, then, maybe, you can substitute (over several decades) the Manticoran occupying forces with Graysons. Sooner - and you've a box seat, 1st row, for the real life explosion of a whole planet.

That's pretty plain enough Eagleeye. And you didn't insult me. Sometimes another set of eyes is essential.

Your response reminds me of the joke that says if you place a dog a chicken and a cat in a cage, they'll learn to play together

Put a Catholic, a Jew and a Muslim in a cage, and they won't survive the first night.

But all that is a moot point. I'm asking why GSN forces can't occupy the system. The troops will only be needed when they go down in armor, kicking ass anyway. It is the impetus behind the notion that Grayson would never bombard Masada from space. Albeit, the same objection could apply to the GSN occupying the orbitals.

IOW, all Grayson really needs from Manticore to assist with Masada is a ground-side occupying force. Not the RMN.

Theemile wrote:My inner argument on the Masada argument: do you, as Manticore, withhold prolong from Masada, allowing generations to quickly come and go, and the old ways (and generations pushing them) die out sooner. Or, do you offer Prolong to the populace, knowing that by doing so, you are creating monsters cause by the young indoctrinated by the old guard, which you will have to deal with for 200 years or more, requiring centuries or millennia for generational prejudices and sentiments to die off.

Is it even considered humane to withhold Prolong? If you do - what will be the resentment from the people of Masada forced to live and die short lives without it.

For that matter, will the Church even allow such evil drugs to be taken? In which case this argument is moot...

cthia wrote:Why don't the GSN occupy Masada, instead of the RMN? Available troop strength?