Return Of The Frigate

JeffEngel wrote:

Roguevictory wrote:As much as I would love for there to be a new form of frigates used by the mainline fleets of the Honorverse I believe, and I may be wrong here, that RFC has stated that such a new form of frigate won't be happening.

He's deep-sixed hyper-capable warships in the classic frigate size range. Many of us - maybe most of us, if not every last 'frigate' enthusiast - are just plugging for use of the name 'frigate' for hyper-capable warships doing the frigate role, but almost certainly much larger than classic Honorverse frigates. Like five times larger, but still in the smallest range of current first-line navies' warship roster and built for long range picket and patrol duty while remaining large enough to be a serious warship.

Alternatively, the same ships could all just be labelled 'light cruiser', but the same job was done in the age of sail by frigates and under that name, so reviving it instead of having to talk about light cruisers, heavy cruisers, and battlecruisers as everything below the wall would likely make for more clarity rather than less.

Relax wrote:The Frigate exists. It is called a Wolfhound DD.

Just because RFC doesn't like the word "frigate" doesn't mean the rest of us need to keep the wool over our eyes.

Enjoy.

PS. All old DD's with SDM are frigates with the introduction of DDM DD's, CL's, CA's, etc. So, RMN has approximately 400 Frigates.

Rowbi wrote:Actually legacy destroyers should be called corvettes. Legacy light cruisers should be called frigates. The difference is frigates have cruising duration similar to a cruiser while corvettes are smaller and attempt to maximize combat power at the expense of combat endurance.

Relax wrote:The Frigate exists. It is called a Wolfhound DD.

Just because RFC doesn't like the word "frigate" doesn't mean the rest of us need to keep the wool over our eyes.

Enjoy.

PS. All old DD's with SDM are frigates with the introduction of DDM DD's, CL's, CA's, etc. So, RMN has approximately 400 Frigates.

Vince wrote:I'm not sure that a legacy destroyer in the Honorverse could be called a corvette. IIRC, someone (RFC?, Duckk?, Someone from BuNine?, someone else on this forum with the Jayne's books? -- can't remember who) pointed out that a corvette is a small system defense unit larger than a LAC, but without hyper capability--no hyper generator or alpha nodes.

Rowbi wrote:

Vince wrote: I'm not sure that a legacy destroyer in the Honorverse could be called a corvette. IIRC, someone (RFC?, Duckk?, Someone from BuNine?, someone else on this forum with the Jayne's books? -- can't remember who) pointed out that a corvette is a small system defense unit larger than a LAC, but without hyper capability--no hyper generator or alpha nodes.

{quote="Rowbi"]I know my analogy wasn't perfect. I was mixing current and past naval usages with a fictional universe that has its own context. The comment was more about the fact that calling the Wolfhounds frigates really doesn't work because they lack the traditional cruising capacity and marines necessary for independent deployments that were the bread and butter of Honorverse frigates.

Relax wrote:Goes for their "CL's" too by and large if not 100%. Great for kicking the crapola out of pirates. Useless for war against a peer opponent. ERGO the reason behind getting rid of the Frigate in the first place!

Mirta Layl wrote:holy fek i was not expecting that many responses to my post...
My original thought of return of the frigate was that the league was going to be massively fracturing with massive amounts of piracy in the league which would require the deployment of small fast ships that can be cheaply an quickly built manned and deployed to have the ability to pose a hazard to any pirates they would "tonnage-creep" into the upper destroyer/lower cruiser ranges used by the SLN and with the massive amounts of automation shown in the RMN/GSN the crews could possibly be just twice the size of a LAC a frigate built to the concept of a Ferret class LAC would have horrible combat endurance due to simple fact of missile expenditure but one built to the concept of say a Shrike class LAC could in theory cruise until it' on board stores/life support ran out without the need to resupply often plus they could easily sneak up on pirates or if need be gang on into teams and preform hit and run raids on the frontier or deep strikes further into SLN territory