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Re: Firebrand's agenda...
Post by SharkHunter   » Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:56 pm

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Shadow of Saganami wrote:Now what, he wondered sardonically, is a sitting member of Manpower's Board of Directors doing on a third-rate planet like Monica? And Ulrike wanted me in uniform. My, my, my.

"Sit," Eichbauer told him, pointing at a comfortable if utilitarian chair beside her desk.

"Yes, Ma'am." He sat, settling his cap in his lap, and waited attentively.

"Damien, this is Ms. Aldona Anisimovna and Ms. Isabel Bardasano," Eichbauer said. "Ladies, Captain Damien Harahap, Solarian Gendarmerie.

The reason Harahap would be returned to the Talbott sector isn't just because of Montana and the FAK. Per Shadow of Saganami, he was present and therefore complicit at Monica, where RMN military personnel were killed, a know associate of Anisimovna, who is also complicit at New Tuscany where more RMN personnel were killed, and finally he's complicit in the uprisings on Mobius. Unless RFC says otherwise, I think that Damien has NO Get Out Of Jail free cards to play that will let him walk, nor influential backers anywhere in the GA that might lean on a lever of power to give him a boost out of prison for decades. Assuming that the SEM survives, right?
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Re: Firebrand's agenda...
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:21 pm

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SharkHunter wrote:
Shadow of Saganami wrote:Now what, he wondered sardonically, is a sitting member of Manpower's Board of Directors doing on a third-rate planet like Monica? And Ulrike wanted me in uniform. My, my, my.

"Sit," Eichbauer told him, pointing at a comfortable if utilitarian chair beside her desk.

"Yes, Ma'am." He sat, settling his cap in his lap, and waited attentively.

"Damien, this is Ms. Aldona Anisimovna and Ms. Isabel Bardasano," Eichbauer said. "Ladies, Captain Damien Harahap, Solarian Gendarmerie.

The reason Harahap would be returned to the Talbott sector isn't just because of Montana and the FAK. Per Shadow of Saganami, he was present and therefore complicit at Monica, where RMN military personnel were killed, a know associate of Anisimovna, who is also complicit at New Tuscany where more RMN personnel were killed, and finally he's complicit in the uprisings on Mobius. Unless RFC says otherwise, I think that Damien has NO Get Out Of Jail free cards to play that will let him walk, nor influential backers anywhere in the GA that might lean on a lever of power to give him a boost out of prison for decades. Assuming that the SEM survives, right?

Harahap was present on Monica once. He was not present at the time that Terekov attacked the system, and he certainly had no responsibility for either the battlecruisers or for the system defense pods. Holding him responsible for the deaths of RMN military personnel is fatuous. Was there any textev that Manticore knows that he was an associate of Anismovna? And merely being an associate of hers does not make him culpable for her actions - that smacks of the collective responsibility that the Peeps used for their military commanders - screw up and we will shoot you and your family. Mobius is more problematic, but the triggering action on Mobius was not one that he was responsible for. He can certainly make the very plausible argument that, yes, he was responsible for the creation and arming of a number of revolutionary movements against the OFS, and your problem with that is what? About all that he is really guilty of, other that giving away arms instead of selling them, is taking the name of Manticore in vain. He hasn't killed anyone, he hasn't engaged in repressive behavior, he hasn't sold out those revolutionary groups - even the one on Loomis that was destroyed wasn't because be betrayed it. I think he has enough information to trade to the GA that he is going to be able to cut a deal.
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Re: Firebrand's agenda...
Post by SharkHunter   » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:58 pm

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--snipping--
fallsfromtrees wrote:...I think he has enough information to trade to the GA that he is going to be able to cut a deal.

Cut a deal yes. We simply disagree about the size of the prize. My though is that he's going to be found out because they know that Gendarm escaped at Monica, and you can bet that it won't take long for the dots to connect to WHICH person that is because Monica's Tyler knows precisely who escaped before Terekhov's impromptu squadron could stop them. Assuming that Manticoran law resembles western law, that still buys you the same penalty as those who execute the crime.

So the deal he cuts may save him from the pulsar dart(s) of a firing squad or the hangman's noose, or possibly shorten his incarceration from life in prison to something shorter.
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Re: Firebrand's agenda...
Post by stewart   » Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:22 pm

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SharkHunter wrote:--snipping--

So the deal he cuts may save him from the pulsar dart(s) of a firing squad or the hangman's noose, or possibly shorten his incarceration from life in prison to something shorter.


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Might I suggest a choice between prison cells on Montana or Kornati (I am sure Stephan Westman could suggest a non-air conditioned, equatorial incarceration site) or a closely monitored life on Sphinx where the 'cats can keep track of him.....
:o :twisted:

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Re: Firebrand's agenda...
Post by SharkHunter   » Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:32 pm

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stewart wrote:
SharkHunter wrote:--snipping--

So the deal he cuts may save him from the pulsar dart(s) of a firing squad or the hangman's noose, or possibly shorten his incarceration from life in prison to something shorter.


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Might I suggest a choice between prison cells on Montana or Kornati (I am sure Stephan Westman could suggest a non-air conditioned, equatorial incarceration site) or a closely monitored life on Sphinx where the 'cats can keep track of him.....
:o :twisted:

-- Stewart

I like it! with the only escape route heading off into hexapuma territory.
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Re: Firebrand's agenda...
Post by stewart   » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:59 pm

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Might I suggest a choice between prison cells on Montana or Kornati (I am sure Stephan Westman could suggest a non-air conditioned, equatorial incarceration site) or a closely monitored life on Sphinx where the 'cats can keep track of him.....
:o :twisted:

-- Stewart[/quote]
I like it! with the only escape route heading off into hexapuma territory.[/quote]


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Or sitting VERY quietly and being VERY docile.

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Re: Firebrand's agenda...
Post by phillies   » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:29 am

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Knowing the illustrious author's plotting, he would find himself adopted by a treecat, who would soon confirm his disgust with everything that had been going on around him before he was caught.

Reporting who was on the secret board might be worth something.

stewart wrote:------------------

Might I suggest a choice between prison cells on Montana or Kornati (I am sure Stephan Westman could suggest a non-air conditioned, equatorial incarceration site) or a closely monitored life on Sphinx where the 'cats can keep track of him.....
:o :twisted:

-- Stewart

I like it! with the only escape route heading off into hexapuma territory.[/quote]


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Or sitting VERY quietly and being VERY docile.

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Re: Firebrand's agenda...
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:39 am

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phillies wrote:Knowing the illustrious author's plotting, he would find himself adopted by a treecat, who would soon confirm his disgust with everything that had been going on around him before he was caught.

Reporting who was on the secret board might be worth something.


It's not clear how far into the onion he was pulled, so it may well be that the highest member he can confirm is Anismovna, and the GA already knows about her.
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Re: Firebrand's agenda...
Post by stewart   » Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:37 am

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fallsfromtrees wrote:
phillies wrote:Knowing the illustrious author's plotting, he would find himself adopted by a treecat, who would soon confirm his disgust with everything that had been going on around him before he was caught.

Reporting who was on the secret board might be worth something.


It's not clear how far into the onion he was pulled, so it may well be that the highest member he can confirm is Anismovna, and the GA already knows about her.



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I doubt Firebrand was drawn into "the Onion" at all.
He was effectively hired to stir things up for his Mesan paymasters. Reasons, to him, unknown.

Again, he is playing the best available game in town. That said, there are consequences for playing.

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Re: Firebrand's agenda...
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:16 am

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phillies wrote:Knowing the illustrious author's plotting, he would find himself adopted by a treecat, who would soon confirm his disgust with everything that had been going on around him before he was caught.

Reporting who was on the secret board might be worth something.

fallsfromtrees wrote:It's not clear how far into the onion he was pulled, so it may well be that the highest member he can confirm is Anismovna, and the GA already knows about her.

stewart wrote:
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I doubt Firebrand was drawn into "the Onion" at all.
He was effectively hired to stir things up for his Mesan paymasters. Reasons, to him, unknown.

Again, he is playing the best available game in town. That said, there are consequences for playing.

-- Stewart

IIRC at the start of SoF, it was mentioned that he had been pulled into the outer layer of the onion.
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