Why did it take so long to deal with Silesia?

What 1st world nations have absolutely no ship building industry and a sea coast?. Please name one that hasn't built a ship larger than 150 tons in the last 5 years.

kzt wrote:

wastedfly wrote:
Which brings up another conundrum. Where the heck are all of these transports built? Manticore built a large percentage. Does this mean 15%? 35%? To be a large percentage, I would bet on the 35% at minimum going towards 50%. If transports last over 100 years, that is still 2000-5000 built a year. This correlates to 700-2000 transports built each year in Manticoran space. Well, used to be built there anyways. Approx 1000 ships are built on earth today. Large ships that is. Plenty more small ships are produced.

SKM stopped building freighters for at least a decade, they were buying them from others people, like allies. Probably from the SL too, as thousands of freighters a year is an enormous number.

I've assumed that every core world builds freighters, at least a few per year.

1000 ships is not an enormous number. How many building slips would this require? We have building times. It is a couple of weeks. Number of slips required would be around 100-200. Hardly a huge number. Even if we halve the number built, we are still talking a very small number of actual building slips required.

I would assume that every core world builds intrasystem transports. Too large to haul in from a centralized building site where economy of scale trumps any small 2 bit mom and pop shop.

I would also assume that some verge systems are building the majority SL's transports and not the SL worlds themselves. $$$ is why. Klakainos for instance. Same reason Grayson was building transports and selling to Manticore at a profit. Costs less.

1000 ships is not an enormous number. How many building slips would this require? We have building times. It is a couple of weeks. Number of slips required would be around 100-200. Hardly a huge number. Even if we halve the number built, we are still talking a very small number of actual building slips required.

Err...what?

kzt wrote:

wastedfly wrote:
Which brings up another conundrum. Where the heck are all of these transports built? Manticore built a large percentage. Does this mean 15%? 35%? To be a large percentage, I would bet on the 35% at minimum going towards 50%. If transports last over 100 years, that is still 2000-5000 built a year. This correlates to 700-2000 transports built each year in Manticoran space. Well, used to be built there anyways. Approx 1000 ships are built on earth today. Large ships that is. Plenty more small ships are produced.

SKM stopped building freighters for at least a decade, they were buying them from others people, like allies. Probably from the SL too, as thousands of freighters a year is an enormous number.

I've assumed that every core world builds freighters, at least a few per year.

The SKM didn't stop building freighters, they simply ran out of slips to build them themselves. During Caparelli and Willie Alexander's tour of Blackbird base, Matthews said "My Lord, if you could find the free civilian building slips back home, then you might have a point," regarding Grayson's takeover of some of the freighter-building market. Implying that the current civilian yards were at maximum capacity.

I also find it quite hard to imagine that High Ridge didn't encourage growth in civilian shipbuilding as part of his Buying The Peace! initiatives. Even if one imagines the extra revenue and shortened trips from the newly discovered Lynx terminus allowed the Manty merchant marine to get by without new hulls, the HR administration still had to find employment for all those yard workers no longer actively working on SD(P)s.

wastedfly wrote:Oh I had so forgotten about that quote. Who in their right mind would transport bulk materials 300 light years?

Anyone who could make a profit by doing so.

kzt wrote:What 1st world nations have absolutely no ship building industry and a sea coast?. Please name one that hasn't built a ship larger than 150 tons in the last 5 years.

Oh how droll. Nice placement. 150 tons. A tug boat? A freaking car ferry is your standard? A very small car ferry at that?

Common man. Drop the straw man routine. Set reality at a minimum of 10,000 tons. 1000 tons at a minimum!

Well, the UK doesn't build anything. They are are a 1st rate nation. Last 5 years they built a couple car feeries, a singular nuclear submarine, and a couple of destroyers. Last I checked they had a nice LONG coast line.

Could they build transports? No. No iron ore. No coal. No iron smelters capable of producing the quantity of steel required. Do they have the yards for modern sized ships? No. They have a couple naval yards and zilch else.

Does France build anything? No.
Does the USA build anything? No. Do we have the infrastructure to build any transports? No. Well maybe if one converts some of the oil platform building sites in Texas. Most of these buggers are bought elsewhere and towed in. I suppose you could go the retentive anal route and state we could convert all naval yards to civilian buildinng purposes.

Does Germany build anything? No
Does Greece build anything? No
Does Holland build anything? No

Do all of these nations have large merchant marines? Yes.

None of them have built a single freighter in 30 years. Any building yards/iron works/slips they do have are for SMALL freighters that are obsolescent along with the machinery for building said freighters.

So, sure, they could slowly, build some small, obsolete, inefficient ships. Or they could build completely new yards, machinery, dry docks that actually fit a modern world, and create/copy a modern design and eventually build a competent freighter.

This isn't 1940 kzt. A smidgeon of reality eh?

Weird Harold wrote:

wastedfly wrote:Oh I had so forgotten about that quote. Who in their right mind would transport bulk materials 300 light years?

Anyone who could make a profit by doing so.

300 << 30! New math. Sweet.

I will have to use that on my tax returns next year.

wastedfly wrote:300 << 30! New math. Sweet.

I will have to use that on my tax returns next year.

With Warshawski Sails and a handy Grave wave, it costs exactly zero fuel to transport any mass any distance. If I can sell you Pitchblende for a dollar a ton less than you can mine it yourself, why are you asking how far I had to haul it?

Duckk wrote:

1000 ships is not an enormous number. How many building slips would this require? We have building times. It is a couple of weeks. Number of slips required would be around 100-200. Hardly a huge number. Even if we halve the number built, we are still talking a very small number of actual building slips required.

Err...what?

Sigh. There were over 1500 Bulk cargo freighters delievered this year alone. Roughly 1/2 the world production.

This does not count containerized freighters. Hundreds.
This does not count the oil tankers. Hundreds
This does not count all of the oil platforms. Roughly a hundred.

Now shall we go into all the tiny ships? Ferries etc?

1000 ships is hardly a lot in the HV with a population 1000 times our own.

wastedfly wrote:Sigh. There were over 1500 Bulk cargo freighters delievered this year alone. Roughly 1/2 the world production.

This does not count containerized freighters. Hundreds.
This does not count the oil tankers. Hundreds
This does not count all of the oil platforms. Roughly a hundred.

Now shall we go into all the tiny ships? Ferries etc?

1000 ships is hardly a lot in the HV with a population 1000 times our own.

Not my point. I'm questioning where you got the 2 weeks to build a Honorverse freighter.